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    New: South Indian Karnataka Result (23andme)

    Finally got raw data on 23andme. I must say I'm a little surprised by the results (We are Kannada speaking South Indian Brahmins);

    PATERNAL LINE: H2*
    MATERNAL LINE: M3A2.

    It appears like H2* is pretty rare. Apart from being reclassified under H (formerly F3), whatever literature I could find (WikiPedia & some blogs) points to some distribution in Western Europe, South Iran, Armenia and South India. Any info / pointers / insights welcome.

    DIY Harappa World Results (rather consistent with other SI Brahmins, working out to a rough 40-60 ASI/ANI split);

    46.32% S-Indian
    35.08% Baloch
    6.55% Caucasian
    5.21% NE-Euro
    0.66% SE-Asian
    0.46% Siberian
    0.26% NE-Asian
    0.97% Papuan
    0.38% American
    1.54% Beringian
    0.66% Mediterranean
    1.60% SW-Asian
    0.09% San
    0.05% E-African
    0.15% Pygmy
    0.03% W-African

    Oracle (Single Population Sharing)

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 maharashtrian (harappa) 1.84
    2 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 2.65
    3 rajasthani (harappa) 2.81
    4 tn-brahmin (xing) 2.96
    5 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 3.12
    6 meghawal (reich) 3.16
    7 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 3.22
    8 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 3.34
    9 ap-brahmin (xing) 3.91
    10 kerala-christian (harappa) 3.96
    11 gujarati (harappa) 4.15
    12 up (harappa) 4.47
    13 bihari-muslim (harappa) 4.66
    14 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 4.8
    15 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 4.8
    16 kerala-nair (harappa) 4.96
    17 gujarati-b (hapmap) 5.35
    18 vaish (reich) 5.64
    19 bihari (harappa) 5.92
    20 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 6.81

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 53.3% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) + 46.7% vysya (reich) @ 1.1
    2 54.3% lodi (reich) + 45.7% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 1.13
    3 61.6% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 38.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.15
    4 50.1% tamil-nadar (harappa) + 49.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.15
    5 69.8% kerala-christian (harappa) + 30.2% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.18
    6 52.7% dusadh (metspalu) + 47.3% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 1.24
    7 66.7% kerala-christian (harappa) + 33.3% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 1.26
    8 50.6% naidu (reich) + 49.4% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 1.26
    9 66.4% tharu (metspalu) + 33.6% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 1.32
    10 54.8% punjabi (harappa) + 45.2% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) @ 1.34
    11 51.8% punjabi (harappa) + 48.2% kurumba (metspalu) @ 1.34
    12 54.2% punjabi (harappa) + 45.8% singapore-indian-a (sgvp) @ 1.34
    13 56.8% dusadh (metspalu) + 43.2% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 1.35
    14 60.6% punjabi-arain (xing) + 39.4% hakkipikki (metspalu) @ 1.35
    15 68.4% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 31.6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 1.36
    16 53.1% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) + 46.9% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 1.37
    17 50.4% kol (metspalu) + 49.6% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 1.4
    18 68.8% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 31.2% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 1.41
    19 56.2% kurumba (metspalu) + 43.8% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 1.41
    20 86.9% maharashtrian (harappa) + 13.1% cochin-jew (behar) @ 1.43

    Oracle 4:

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 maharashtrian @ 1.976772
    2 karnataka-brahmin @ 2.804590
    3 rajasthani @ 3.022853
    4 tn-brahmin @ 3.197670
    5 brahmin-tamil-nadu @ 3.296015
    6 meghawal @ 3.417921
    7 iyer-brahmin @ 3.497756
    8 iyengar-brahmin @ 3.635791
    9 ap-brahmin @ 4.275940
    10 kerala-christian @ 4.308855
    11 gujarati @ 4.530902
    12 goan @ 4.696285
    13 kerala @ 4.716949
    14 up @ 4.918003
    15 bihari-muslim @ 5.046762
    16 up-kshatriya @ 5.198367
    17 singapore-indian-b @ 5.268281
    18 kerala-nair @ 5.410666
    19 gujarati-b @ 5.833061
    20 vaish @ 6.176074

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% punjabi-brahmin +50% tamil-nadar @ 1.135602


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% andhra-pradesh +25% iyengar-brahmin +25% punjabi-khatri @ 0.827176


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 lodi + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-jatt-muslim + vysya @ 0.675016
    2 kurumba + naidu + punjabi-brahmin + punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 0.737092
    3 gujarati-a + hakkipikki + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 0.739942
    4 ap-mala + gujarati-a + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-khatri @ 0.742656
    5 gujarati-a + mala + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-khatri @ 0.747097
    6 iyengar-brahmin + punjabi-khatri + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste + up @ 0.765046
    7 piramalai-kallar + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-jatt-sikh + vysya @ 0.767431
    8 naidu + punjabi-brahmin + punjabi-jatt-muslim + tamil-nadar @ 0.780154
    9 gujarati-a + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-khatri + tn-dalit @ 0.787268
    10 naidu + punjabi-brahmin + punjabi-jatt-muslim + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste @ 0.807999
    11 dusadh + iyengar-brahmin + kerala-christian + punjabi-khatri @ 0.809049
    12 dusadh + naidu + punjabi-brahmin + punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 0.815059
    13 andhra-pradesh + kurumba + punjabi-jatt-muslim + up-brahmin @ 0.822102
    14 gujarati-a + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-khatri + tn-dalit @ 0.823093
    15 kol + punjabi-brahmin + punjabi-jatt-muslim + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste @ 0.823368
    16 andhra-pradesh + andhra-pradesh + iyengar-brahmin + punjabi-khatri @ 0.827176
    17 madiga + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-jatt-sikh + velama @ 0.829601
    18 iyer-brahmin + punjabi-khatri + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste + up @ 0.829750
    19 gujarati-a + hakkipikki + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-khatri @ 0.830440
    20 gujarati-a + north-kannadi + punjabi-jatt-muslim + punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 0.831421


    MDLP World:

    Caucaus_Parsia 34.31%
    Middle_East 1.71%
    Indian 46.99%
    South_and_West_European 2.26%
    Melanesian 1.77%
    Sub_Saharian 0.15%
    North_and_East_European 7.10%
    Arctic_Amerind 0.82%
    East_Asian 2.60%
    Paleo_African 0.44%
    Mesoamerican -
    North_Asian 1.85%

    Eurogenes ANE K7:

    ANE 29.57%
    ASE 20.19%
    WHG-UHG -
    East_Eurasian 6.31%
    West_African 0.30%
    East_African 3.96%
    ENF 39.67%

    Gedrosia K11

    WHG 5.14%
    S_Indian 49.91%
    Gedrosian 21.81%
    SW_Asian 1.91%
    Siberian 0.39%
    EEF -
    E_Asian 2.13%
    Caucasus 10.62%
    Kalash 4.78%
    Indo_Chinese 3.30%
    SE_Asian -
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    Congrats! Welcome to the forum. Can you share, where in Karnataka you are from? We have some South Indian Brahmins here. A member by the username Varun is one.

    Also you should post more results. Can you post Eurogenes ANE K7? Gedrosia K11? What do you get in your Harappa oracles? I think you are northern shifted compared to Tamil Brahmins.
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    bored,

    Thanks for your reply. I've updated the post with more results.

    Ancestry from the last couple of generations is primarily from regions skirting the western ghats of Karnataka - Hassan & Chikkamagalur districts. Paternal lineage (speculative) may have roots in the coast (mangalore, I believe);

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    I am not sure whether it's of any interest for you, but H2 was recently found in Neolithic Spain http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post107553

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    Interesting results.
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    @rozenfield: Thanks, definitely interesting.

    Also, related (with further speculation on H2): http://dispatchesfromturtleisland.bl...na-doesnt.html

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    Coorg (Kodagu) people are definitely pretty distinct by their looks. There are various theories on possible Indo-Scythian orgin; http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...dagu-Karnataka

    Bidar/Gulbarga: Not so sure. Apart from dialectical and linguistic variations, they appear to be more or less congruent with the other people of the Marathwada / Nizam-province regions.

    Tulu people: More contiguous with Kerala (and the mythical parashurama region of the west-coast); Shivalli Brahmins and Bunts may have had hypergamous relationships similar to Nairs and Nambudaris of Kerala. Again very distinctive by looks from the rest of KA.
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    I must say I am not sure about 23andme nomenclature nowadays . Earlier H2 in 23andme meant H-APT . Not sure they have updated them .H2 under present nomenclature is rare but H-APT is not that rare though .
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