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    Hephtalite legacy in India

    Dont know its the right subforum, but was curious which tribes/groups have (partial) Hephtalite/Hunnic ancestry?

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    They were Eastern Iranic speakers and mainly based in Afghanistan. IMO Pashtun tribes would be the best fit, given the geography and linguistics match up.

    There are some theories which believe Rajputs have some ancestry but there are conflicting views about that since there is no concrete proof of that. The Indian members on here could elaborate more on that.

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    So it is likely that Pashtuns, Afghan Tajik, Wakhi might be the modern day descendants of these ancient Hephtalites?

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    People from above mentioned regions in India can have Hephthalite connection imo.

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    So you think its geographical and not tribe related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khuur View Post
    So it is likely that Pashtuns, Afghan Tajik, Wakhi might be the modern day descendants of these ancient Hephtalites?
    Possible if not likely but we can say nothing definitely about that now. Hepthalites were most likely East Iranian speaking already before they adopted bactrian but which Iranian language nobody knows. The Durrani tribe of Pashtuns is linked to Hephtalites because their older tribal name Abdali seems to be derived from Hephtalite but tribal names can wander over long distances without any remarkable genetic inflow.
    Last edited by Coldmountains; 09-15-2015 at 08:48 AM.

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    Some North Indian Rajput clans claim Hunnic ancestry. Who knows? There might be something to it. Jatts claim Scythian ancestry and I don't think it's implausible at all. There might be some truth to the Rajput claims as well. I wonder what would constitute evidence for it though. Like how would it manifest in ADMIXTURE? Unfortunately there's a paucity of Rajput samples from North India so far. If we had more samples things would be clearer.

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    Actually could elevated East Eurasian be one sign of Hunnic admixture? I think they had some East Eurasian. It would be difficult to distinguish between Hunnic East Eurasian and other sources of East Eurasian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bored View Post
    Some North Indian Rajput clans claim Hunnic ancestry. Who knows? There might be something to it. Jatts claim Scythian ancestry and I don't think it's implausible at all. There might be some truth to the Rajput claims as well. I wonder what would constitute evidence for it though. Like how would it manifest in ADMIXTURE? Unfortunately there's a paucity of Rajput samples from North India so far. If we had more samples things would be clearer.
    Any Ydna evidence from certain tribes that clearly have a different fingerprint than surrouding tribes/people in the same geography?
    Or, if there seems to be no evidence, its evenly distributed indepedent of tribe/clan or the amount of samples is too low?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bored View Post
    Some North Indian Rajput clans claim Hunnic ancestry. Who knows? There might be something to it. Jatts claim Scythian ancestry and I don't think it's implausible at all. There might be some truth to the Rajput claims as well. I wonder what would constitute evidence for it though. Like how would it manifest in ADMIXTURE? Unfortunately there's a paucity of Rajput samples from North India so far. If we had more samples things would be clearer.
    I am very skeptical about this theories about a Hunnic/Hephthalite origin of some Indian groups. It is unlikely that Hephthalites left many descendants there because they were defeated and pushed out by local Indian rulers in the end but it is possible. Their presence in India was already before limited in my opinion. Their descendants survived in Afghanistan till the Islamic conquest and fought against Islamic rulers so we should search in Afghanistan and Tajikistan first for descendants of Hephthalites but this is impossible now because we have no idea about their exact autosomal and Y-DNA
    Last edited by Coldmountains; 09-15-2015 at 09:31 AM.

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