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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    What type of crime, and what type of evidence do you have. Based on the evidence you have I will let you know what the challenges are
    Threats and slander... I have piles of evidence in screenshots and text. Plus I got the guy's information I know who he is. I know that may be used against me in court, that I doxxed him back. But after piles of "don't feed the troll" and sexist comments like "you're bringing it on yourself", "you're overreacting", "you're crazy" and problematic "advice" like "get off the Internet" and even "retrain in a new profession" (because my job requires Internet) I decided to take matters into my own hands and I am saving up to take him to civil court which is what my lawyer advised (just can't afford it right now, 5k retainer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Souriquois View Post
    RCMP... who has a long track record of not caring about crimes against women. (Quite a hot button issue in this federal election, actually)

    Lol there's a reason I didn't disclose my gender in my profile and am glad this forum has that option. But I just disclosed it. Well, this thread will be buried eventually. Yeah, I'm a woman.

    The person resided in the United States, in Texas.
    Feel free to PM me. you dont have to share details. I can still give you my assessment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Souriquois View Post
    Threats and slander... I have piles of evidence in screenshots and text. Plus I got the guy's information I know who he is. I know that may be used against me in court, that I doxxed him back. But after piles of "don't feed the troll" and sexist comments like "you're bringing it on yourself", "you're overreacting", "you're crazy" and problematic "advice" like "get off the Internet" and even "retrain in a new profession" (because my job requires Internet) I decided to take matters into my own hands and I am saving up to take him to civil court which is what my lawyer advised (just can't afford it right now, 5k retainer).
    Your evidence looks good. I by no means want to minimize the crime, but I hate to say IMO, no agency will pursue an international case based on these types of crimes.

    Civil action is an option, but you would have to weigh the cost benefit, and whether you can collect on a judgement if you get awarded one
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    This thread talked about just women, but race is a factor as well. I'll try to find it later, a documentary on the type of discrimination First Nations people face online. On my phone now.

    But yeah as for online harassment it's shown that women get the brunt though the order from most harassed to least are:

    1. Women of colour (by far most)
    2. White women (very close second)
    3. Men of colour (not near as much as women of any race)
    4. White men (unless they're gay, don't get harassed at all)

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    Hope you kick his ass Souriquois

    It is unacceptable for law enforcement to not investigate an obvious case of abuse and threat just because it is difficult

    ...and when some one does the same sort of attack on someone with real power, just watch how fast many of the very real hurdles to investigating/prosecuting the case get swept away, and the 'cyber horsemen' go charging into the thick of it...in or out of Canada

    if I can slightly derail this for a pet peeve of mine

    ...I HATE it when some dope harangues or criticisms some of the western countries for their high incarceration rate...they pull out some tripe like Canada or the U.S. has more prisoners than China or what not
    ....that's because in our countries, there are real laws protecting whole swaths of people from a variety of crimes that are ignored in most other countries
    ...In our countries, women and children in particular, are seen by the legal system as being real people who may not be beaten, raped, pimped out or abused by a dozen other common despicable crimes

    You all know there are many countries where that is simply not the case...either by law or tradition or religion or whatnot, there is no such thing as a man raping his wife....a child is owned by the father and he can do what ever he wants, beating, torture, sale, rape....a girl can be sold and raped as long as she is over age 8 and 'mature'...the vile nonsense is endless

    As flawed as our legal system is, and no one knows that better than I who have worked in Canada's correctional system for 25 yrs, it is still way better than most other countries, including some 'western democracies'
    ...I can tell you for a fact that one of the largest growing segment of prisoners in Canada is guys (mostly), that have been convicted of Domestic Violence type offences, and I will often classify a dozen or so a month, and thats from a relatively sparcely populated area
    ...how many other countries have a similar conviction rate for DV you think?

    so the next time you hear some weak minded fool, parroting some nonsense about our 'high' incarceration rate, do 1 of 2 things please
    ...explain the above point to them or probably better, just punch them in the snout and tellem 'Mike sent this'


    OK-sorry, derail over



    I would certainly vote for more, better and big assed fanged cyber laws that took on the bullies, psychotics, DV types and hate filled cowards and this is going to be a bigger and bigger issue

    Mike

    ps-'horsemen' is a nick name for the RCMP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Souriquois View Post
    This thread talked about just women, but race is a factor as well. I'll try to find it later, a documentary on the type of discrimination First Nations people face online. On my phone now.

    But yeah as for online harassment it's shown that women get the brunt though the order from most harassed to least are:

    1. Women of colour (by far most)
    2. White women (very close second)
    3. Men of colour (not near as much as women of any race)
    4. White men (unless they're gay, don't get harassed at all)
    Actually you have another option. If you are willing to travel a couple of times to Texas, you can file a criminal complaint in the county or city the suspect is in. This would have a good likelihood of being investigated

    Edit: you can always start by calling the appropriate jurisdiction in Texas. If it is a big city, I would call that city's PD, and ask to speak to the detectives division. If it is a small town, I would call the county PD or the Texas DPS. At least you may get an idea before you travel to Texas
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWhalen View Post
    Hope you kick his ass Souriquois

    It is unacceptable for law enforcement to not investigate an obvious case of abuse and threat just because it is difficult

    ...and when some one does the same sort of attack on someone with real power, just watch how fast many of the very real hurdles to investigating/prosecuting the case get swept away, and the 'cyber horsemen' go charging into the thick of it...in or out of Canada

    if I can slightly derail this for a pet peeve of mine
    ...I HATE it when some dope harangues or criticisms some of the western countries for their high incarceration rate...they pull out some tripe like Canada or the U.S. has more prisoners than China or what not
    ....that's because in our countries, there are real laws protecting whole swaths of people from a variety of crimes that are ignored...In our countries, women and children in particular, are seen by the legal system as being real people who may not be beaten, raped, pimped out or a dozen other common despicable crimes

    You all know there are many countries where that is simply not the case...either by law or tradition or religion or whatnot, there is no such thing as a man raping his wife....a child is owned by the father and he can do what ever he wants....a girl can be sold and raped as long as she is over age 8 and 'mature'...the vile nonsense is endless
    As flawed as our legal system is, and no one knows that better than I who have worked in Canada's correctional system for 25 yrs, it is still way better than most other countries, including some 'western democracies'
    ...I can tell you for a fact that one of the largest growing segment of prisoners in Canada is guys (mostly), that have been convicted of Domestic Violence type offences, and I will often classify a dozen or so a month, and thats from a relatively sparcely populated area

    OK-sorry, derail over

    I would certainly vote for more, better and big assed fanged cyber laws that took on the bullies, psychotics, DV types and hate filled cowards

    Mike

    ps-'horsemen' is a nick name for the RCMP
    I hate to break it to you but in Canada women and children are not protected by our law enforcement. 1200 missing and murdered Aboriginal women and girls. Also if you're gonna blame it on "Aboriginal culture" you can't cos 74% of solved homicides in Canada were men killing women, white men killing white women mostly. Canada is an anti-woman culture. And our prisons are being filled with Aboriginal mem for small non-violent offenses, not killing women. Our prisons are getting worse.

    Also Canada slipped from #1 to #23 in the list of safest countries for women in the past decade.

    Thank Stephen Harper for all that. He Americanized the country. Actually in the French-language debate he speaks French like he's from France another sexist/racist country where they disproportionately imprison people of colour too. And he's misogynistic. He's un-Canadian.

    Marc LÚpine would be proud of what Harper did to this country.
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    What disgusts me more is Harper used Rehteah Parsons and Amanda Todd as one of the excuses to pass C-51. As well as Nathan Cirillo. The bodies of three people, and the body of Nathan Cirillo was barely even cold yet when the law was tabled. Two women and a veteran, groups he don't care about... and the families of all three strongly opposed the law. Disgusting.

    But yeah, now we're getting into Canadian politics. My favourite subject, needs a different thread. Lol.
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    well, I hate to break it to you Souriquois, but what I wrote is quite accurate and most of your response to me was not.

    I did note that Canada could improve what we have, a great deal, but did that not count vis a vis your response?
    Surely you noticed that one of the major points I raised was crimes against women and children and other vulnerable persons on a macro level and where 'we' placed in that regarding prison populations...was that of no interest to you?

    ....still the point I made of actual convicted criminals due to their violence against women and children is true and truthful, and to suggest otherwise is more about hidden agendas and political propaganda...which I have zero interest in engaging in, as parts of your rant seem more like Soc 101 boilerplate rhetoric than a factual discussion of an issue

    as a small aside...
    Harper got voted in, several times,( not by me, ever btw), but he never the less did, in fair and open elections
    ...that outcome and he himself, was neither Un Canadian, nor was it him being the devils secret spawn on earth or the beast with 666 engraved in his glasses ect. and to suggest otherwise, is childish nonsense

    you and anyone else are perfectly within their rights to think his policies stunk, he legislation enacted awful and the direction he took the country in wrong, but everyone elses vote counts as much as yours does and he got enough of them to form 3 or 4 governments...that's not hate, that is repeated free votes
    ... or is that your problem, if the outcome does not match your desire, then everything about it is hateful and you alone should get to decide who is boss?

    btw, you did know that the Highway of Tears started way before Harper ever showed up, and yes, it was due to generations of racist neglect and gov. indifference and incompetence?

    the women's movement makes a good point on the above issue I think, when some of them say its really about power, and it was those without power that were ignored, as there were quite a few non native women and children that suffered the same fate, although natives suffered dis-proportionally

    That certainly is the key criteria I have seen in my career...if the criminal was linked to someone powerful ie: lawyer, judge, native police chief (all actual examples I have dealt with)...the 'system' was pretty f'ing quick to accommodate any requests regarding them, regardless of color or ethnicity
    ....if they were the classic street person, zero damns were given, regardless of color or ethnicity

    Finally, you state that the majority of Aboriginal men are 'filling our prisons for small non violent offenses'. That is clearly untrue in my jurisdiction for sure, and I will bet most, if not all others.
    Make no mistake, most of the native male violence is on other natives...native on native violence is a well documented issue and guess who gets the brunt of it...female natives. but I have read more than a few protest signs on the CBS with that on it, wonder why?

    Finally
    I had to read your last line twice, because I could not believe you would actually say something like that..."Marc LÚpine would be proud of what Harper did to this country"

    to link Harper's policies to Lepine's actions is disgraceful, not out of consideration of the politician, but out of respect to the women killed and trivializing that event to finish off a rant on the internet, so you and I are done talking

    I have been communicating on the internet long enough to know when what I say has no value or meaning to the target, but I figured Souriquois put so many whoppers in her response to my first post, that I had to clarify a few things so readers not familiar with any of this would have a chance to spot fact from fiction

    silly me for thinking she would feel my post was supportive of her

    I will not be responding to any further posts on this thread, I have said my piece, its up to the reader to decide if it has worth or is worthless
    I have zero interest in drama, and as an old pal once reminded me
    ...it will do no good

    Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by Souriquois View Post
    I hate to break it to you but in Canada women and children are not protected by our law enforcement. 1200 missing and murdered Aboriginal women and girls. Also if you're gonna blame it on "Aboriginal culture" you can't cos 74% of solved homicides in Canada were men killing women, white men killing white women mostly. Canada is an anti-woman culture. And our prisons are being filled with Aboriginal mem for small non-violent offenses, not killing women. Our prisons are getting worse.

    Also Canada slipped from #1 to #23 in the list of safest countries for women in the past decade.

    Thank Stephen Harper for all that. He Americanized the country. Actually in the French-language debate he speaks French like he's from France another sexist/racist country where they disproportionately imprison people of colour too. And he's misogynistic. He's un-Canadian.

    Marc LÚpine would be proud of what Harper did to this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWhalen View Post
    well, I hate to break it to you Souriquois, but what I wrote is quite accurate and most of your response to me was not.

    I did note that Canada could improve what we have, a great deal, but did that not count vis a vis your response?
    Surely you noticed that one of the major points I raised was crimes against women and children and other vulnerable persons on a macro level and where 'we' placed in that regarding prison populations...was that of no interest to you?

    ....still the point I made of actual convicted criminals due to their violence against women and children is true and truthful, and to suggest otherwise is more about hidden agendas and political propaganda...which I have zero interest in engaging in, as parts of your rant seem more like Soc 101 boilerplate rhetoric than a factual discussion of an issue

    as a small aside...
    Harper got voted in, several times,( not by me, ever btw), but he never the less did, in fair and open elections
    ...that outcome and he himself, was neither Un Canadian, nor was it him being the devils secret spawn on earth or the beast with 666 engraved in his glasses ect. and to suggest otherwise, is childish nonsense

    you and anyone else are perfectly within their rights to think his policies stunk, he legislation enacted awful and the direction he took the country in wrong, but everyone elses vote counts as much as yours does and he got enough of them to form 3 or 4 governments...that's not hate, that is repeated free votes
    ... or is that your problem, if the outcome does not match your desire, then everything about it is hateful and you alone should get to decide who is boss?

    btw, you did know that the Highway of Tears started way before Harper ever showed up, and yes, it was due to generations of racist neglect and gov. indifference and incompetence?

    the women's movement makes a good point on the above issue I think, when some of them say its really about power, and it was those without power that were ignored, as there were quite a few non native women and children that suffered the same fate, although natives suffered dis-proportionally

    That certainly is the key criteria I have seen in my career...if the criminal was linked to someone powerful ie: lawyer, judge, native police chief (all actual examples I have dealt with)...the 'system' was pretty f'ing quick to accommodate any requests regarding them, regardless of color or ethnicity
    ....if they were the classic street person, zero damns were given, regardless of color or ethnicity

    Finally, you state that the majority of Aboriginal men are 'filling our prisons for small non violent offenses'. That is clearly untrue in my jurisdiction for sure, and I will bet most, if not all others.
    Make no mistake, most of the native male violence is on other natives...native on native violence is a well documented issue and guess who gets the brunt of it...female natives. but I have read more than a few protest signs on the CBS with that on it, wonder why?

    Finally
    I had to read your last line twice, because I could not believe you would actually say something like that..."Marc LÚpine would be proud of what Harper did to this country"

    to link Harper's policies to Lepine's actions is disgraceful, not out of consideration of the politician, but out of respect to the women killed and trivializing that event to finish off a rant on the internet, so you and I are done talking

    I have been communicating on the internet long enough to know when what I say has no value or meaning to the target, but I figured Souriquois put so many whoppers in her response to my first post, that I had to clarify a few things so readers not familiar with any of this would have a chance to spot fact from fiction

    silly me for thinking she would feel my post was supportive of her

    I will not be responding to any further posts on this thread, I have said my piece, its up to the reader to decide if it has worth or is worthless
    I have zero interest in drama, and as an old pal once reminded me
    ...it will do no good

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    Look, I apologize it was a knee-jerk reaction on my part, a reaction out of immense pain. I don't have much respect for law enforcement in this country, or the government, dealing with them has been a world of hurt. The only thing I like about Harper is relaxing gun laws because I don't trust the cops to protect me.

    You work in corrections, so you see people who actually get convicted. You don't see the other end of the law, in part also because you are white and male, the scores of crimes that go unreported or if they are reported, victims being revictimized by law enforcement. Many women do not report violent crime against them because it ain't worth it. For every 1000 rapes in Canada, maybe 3 result in a conviction. Domestic violence is reported much less. Often, these things are talked about amongst women "stay away from this man, he's abusive" and "that guy raped so and so". A police officer is never spoken to, a man is never told about it, because we don't feel comfortable discussing this stuff with men (which most police officers are). Some of the biggest assholes never see a jail cell. I even had a friend raped by a police officer on Prince Edward Island. He's still on the force. I had another friend in the military who was sexually assaulted while deployed. She won't report it to the forces.

    This is not Soc 101, this is someone's reality. Different people have different realities. And I know talking about it makes people uncomfortable when they see that what they thought was universal truth is not truth for everyone. The white man's Canada is different than anyone else's Canada, even the white woman's Canada... hell, even the white homosexual male's Canada is a completely different Canada... it's not the great country that the media says it is. I'm not saying you're a bad person because you are white and male but there are some things you don't see because you won the genetic lottery and don't have the misfortune of experiencing different things.

    One good thing about the Internet is that these stories and views get out, because the white man's media won't cover it. Although the bad thing, the premise of this thread, is that cyberspace has the same power structure as meatspace, so violence is still a thing.

    Also, one of my good friends was on CBC in the Voters of Canada series, talking about prisoner's rights, which is what she spoke about. Maybe where you are, prison is better but where I am from, prisons are overcrowded, dirty, people with mental health issues get locked up and denied their medication, people die in their cells. It's not pretty.

    https://youtu.be/xzK9eGejm6Q

    And the past decade has been hell on this region. I lived in Vancouver and wanted to stay there, I only came home because my mother got sick... and she's dying and had the misfortune of getting sick in the summer (old advice here "don't get sick in the summer") so the care she needed was delayed.

    My experiences with harassment made me angry and more of an "SJW". I've been involved in activism for a few years now since 2011 and, my views changed completely and I do get passionate. In part, the only people who showed me empathy and compassion were black activists and LGBT activists, and they shared their stories with me, their positions not being that much different from my "rant", all those people can't all be crazy and ranting (BTW your choice of the word "rant" is quite problematic, considering whenever marginalized groups talk about their oppression, it is dismissed as a "rant" hence not to be taken seriously). Sorry. I posted in haste, seeing a defense of what I see as a fundamentally flawed and unfair justice system and a racist and misogynistic culture. My apologies. I did not word it correctly and only skimmed your post quick on a mobile phone and did not really take in the whole content.
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