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    Arabic Q-m25 cluster origin theory

    Arab cluster Q-m25

    In the Q project on ftdna there seems to be an distinct Arab cluster of which some tested positive for the m25 snp but nothing more downstream. They are dispersed over the arabian peninsula covering Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, having different surnames. As I didnt and cannot contact them I will put it out here to see if there are New theories on their Origin. Based on str data this cluster seems to have a common ancestor in the last millenium. The closest matches on 67 markers are an Iraqi (trmca 4000) who has also m25 positive and me l712* (trmca 6000). Шад please correct me if the trmca is wrong
    Шад had a theorie about their origin
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ll=1#post99224
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    Another possible explanation for the Arab cluster, sounds more logic.
    Https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqaliba
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elteber

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    Most names end with al-bahrani and they are from Al-ahsa/Hofuf regions, maybe some arabic member can see a connection. Not all arab q-m25 seem genealogically related based on 37/67str.

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    The so called arab cluster is getting crowded on yfull https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-F5005/.
    Origins of samples are not mentioned but i guess there is some uyghur, mongol and arab between them.
    Of all the countries, this is possibly the most beautiful. All that is beautiful and can be rarely seen in
    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
    most flavorful dishes... Of all of Godís servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    The so called arab cluster is getting crowded on yfull https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-F5005/.
    Origins of samples are not mentioned but i guess there is some uyghur, mongol and arab between them.
    Yes. You are absolutely right. We can assume this branch as Turkic or proto-Turkic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Шад View Post
    Yes. You are absolutely right. We can assume this branch as Turkic or proto-Turkic.
    What kind of connection do you propose between these samples?
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    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
    most flavorful dishes... Of all of Godís servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    Second Arab BigY results came in. All BigYs ( 2 Arab 1 Mongol) are a BigY match (4 snp difference). Hope he will submit his data to yfull.
    Non matching snps seem nonsense maybe the quality is low.
    Of all the countries, this is possibly the most beautiful. All that is beautiful and can be rarely seen in
    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
    most flavorful dishes... Of all of Godís servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    2 interesting submissions on yfull.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-F5005/
    The bz1010 is most likely a gulf Arab who also shows up on BigY matches, the other id:YF09830 however is negative for the Mongol or Arab snps and does not show up on the BigY list, maybe a non ftdna submission. Would be interesting to know his origin
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    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    Trmca with the arab guys is 2600 years as calculated by yfull. I suspect he is from Iran
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    Hello Afshar I am the owner of most of the Arabian qm25 lineages and I'm the one who submitted them to yfull..can you tell who belongs to 9830? I don't think he is Arabian because we didn't test that person.

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