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Thread: R1b-L21 Top-Layer and Misc Subclades SNP Pack

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    A bunch of R1b-L21 SNP Pack results came in. This will be particularly good for the smaller subclades as the L21 pack hits them pretty hard. I see new folks in A5846, CTS3386, BY2868, FGC35995, S1026, S1051, S16264, CTS1751, FGC5494, DF63 and Z251.

    L21 SNP pack result positiv for FGC35995/Y14240 (and FGC35996/Y14049 too by YFull and YSEQ) any informations ?

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    A bunch of R1b-L21 SNP Pack results came in. This will be particularly good for the smaller subclades as the L21 pack hits them pretty hard. I see new folks in A5846, CTS3386, BY2868, FGC35995, S1026, S1051, S16264, CTS1751, FGC5494, DF63 and Z251.

    L21 SNP pack result positiv for FGC35995/Y14240 (and FGC35996/Y14049 too by YFull and YSEQ) any informations ?

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    I did the L21 Snp pack, and got the results this week. I was R-DF13 and after the Snp pack, I'm still the same R-DF13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyWanderer View Post
    I did the L21 Snp pack, and got the results this week. I was R-DF13 and after the Snp pack, I'm still the same R-DF13.
    Packs and Panels only test for known public SNPs so some men like us will fall through the holes in the panel. I don't have any statistical support for this theory but it seems L21 men from the continent tend to fall through more often because fewer of them have tested deeply so that part of the tree is not well developed. I decided to get the most comprehensive test I could and try to define my own twig hoping others will follow.
    R-P312/S116 > L21/S145 > DF13 > Z39589 > A4556 > 2777444-T-C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
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    Let's look at what the L21 Pack is NOT. It only has pointers or bridges to the following Packs available from FTDNA. They are the larger subclades of DF13 and the below Packs are specialized for people in these large subclades.

    R1b-CTS4466 (Irish II/South types)
    R1b-DF41 (CTS2501 & includes Royal Stewarts)
    R1b-L1065 (CTS6838/CTS7030 & Scots Modal types)
    R1b-L513 (11-13 Combo types)
    R1b-M222 (Northwest Irish/Irish I types/Niall's badges)
    R1b-Z253 (includes Irish III, Irish IV/Continental types)
    R1b-Z255 (Irish Sea/Leinster Modal types & includes L159.2)
    R1b-Z3000 (Clan Colla DYS425=null types)

    One way to to look at the R1b-L21 SNP Pack is to consider it is everything else and the kitchen sink. If you compare the above already existing SNP Packs with the L21 Pack you see some groups are missing, though:

    R1b-DF21 except Z3000
    R1b-DF49 except M222

    It doesn't take much to figure out that those two SNP Packs must be on their way to us also.....
    There is an R1b-DF49xM222 SNP Pack now which includes DF23xM222 and other early branches such as the Ui Maine cluster and many of our favorite ZP SNPs.
    http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=8

    There is also an R1b-Z246 SNP Pack. Z246 is a large part of DF21 and includes DF25, DF5, etc.
    http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=58

    There is a gap still outstanding - the rest of DF21 beyond Z246 and Z3000. We can expect something to come for the Little Scots folks, P314 folks, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    There is an R1b-DF49xM222 SNP Pack now which includes DF23xM222 and other early branches such as the Ui Maine cluster and many of our favorite ZP SNPs.
    http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=8

    There is also an R1b-Z246 SNP Pack. Z246 is a large part of DF21 and includes DF25, DF5, etc.
    http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=58

    There is a gap still outstanding - the rest of DF21 beyond Z246 and Z3000. We can expect something to come for the Little Scots folks, P314 folks, etc.
    Does that include the 3000 year old novel snp S5488?

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    Hello,would you have information on R1b1b2a1a2f?I appreciate any information on this..trying to understand all of this..Thank You..Janet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janet winans View Post
    Hello,would you have information on R1b1b2a1a2f?I appreciate any information on this..trying to understand all of this..Thank You..Janet
    I believe that is 23andMe-speak for R1b-L21. Here is a pretty decent modern distribution map for R1b-L21. Hope it helps a little.

    R1b-L21 map.gif
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Thank you very much..

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    Yup, 23andMe still uses ISOGG's 2009 nomenclature, so R1b1b2a1a2f is R1b-L21.
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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