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Thread: 4500-year-old Ethiopian - Y-DNA E1b1, mtDNA L3, and considerable Eurasian admixture

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    I think that if the general thought of 5% West Eurasian in the Yoruba and Mbuti is correct, then Mota is probably around 7%. I may already have the right one. I'll let everyone know as soon as I know.

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    The Dstat for Mota being Onge shifted has a low Z score, so do you think we should put significant stock in it? I agree with you on all your other assumptions which illustrate the makeup of Mota. They have an affinity to East Africans and South Africans and a minor affinity to central Africans. Furthermore if you put Omotic populations in the mix the Z score would be higher than Ethiopians. I did an admixture which included Mota and East Africans, Mota scored 85% Omotic and Ariblacksmith score 93% Omotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puntDNALKing View Post
    @Kurd

    The Dstat for Mota being Onge shifted has a low Z score, so do you think we should put significant stock in it? I agree with you on all your other assumptions which illustrate the makeup of Mota. They have an affinity to East Africans and South Africans and a minor affinity to central Africans. Furthermore if you put Omotic populations in the mix the Z score would be higher than Ethiopians. I did an admixture which included Mota and East Africans, Mota scored 85% Omotic and Ariblacksmith score 93% Omotic.
    Punt, I forgot to mention that the Z score is low, especially with my runs involving transversions only, because I was working with a lower number of SNPs. The Z score whether positive or negative would likely have been quiet higher had I had more transversions.

    With regards to your ADMIXTURE results, I am quiet confident they will change, if you use a corrected Mota sample. My guess is a significant number of positions for which Mota is homozygous for the minor allele (MAF=100%) were not called, as well as ones for which Mota is homozygous for the major allele (MAF=0%). The former positions once called should have a significant impact on formal as well as ADMIXTURE results. I am curious to see how his increased affinity to ENA changes with the updated data

    Edit: A slight discrepancy between ADMIXTURE results and formal stats is expected, because the ADMIXTURE clusters, including the SSA one, are based on populations that have drifted since the time of Mota.
    Last edited by Kurd; 01-26-2016 at 11:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    The one we have is no good. There's no use in trying to run any stats with it. Yoruba do have some West Eurasian. I'm sure it will be re-run by others, and this will be cleared up.
    Yoruba showed no preference towards West or East Eurasia when run using high-coverage sequences which gets rid of ascertainment issues.

    Granted it is still possible that they have West Eurasian, because Mbuti and Dinka had an East Eurasian preference over French. Assuming East Eurasians have old African and Yoruba have West Eurasian it'd explain those stats.

    Work with complete sequences so far has been minimal, if someone has 10 terabytes of space, some time and willingness to obtain a certificate...https://www.simonsfoundation.org/lif...oject-dataset/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awale View Post
    Quoting Chad saying that these stats seem normal to him... You've won the argument, my Tutsi broski, I give up. The Sheikh's jokes aside though...
    It seems I misunderstood here btw... You weren't replying to me there but you were using your phone and it somehow messed up to quote both me and Chad (as you said via PMs). Apologies for taking it the wrong way, khayo.

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    L1 L2 R1 OUT D Z
    MbutiPygmy .MOTA LBK Karitiana -0.0005 -0.159
    Yoruba .MOTA LBK Karitiana 0.0002 0.077
    Khomani .MOTA LBK Karitiana 0.007 2.158
    Masai_Kinyawa .MOTA LBK Karitiana 0.0211 6.829
    Somali .MOTA LBK Karitiana 0.0385 12.298
    Ethiopian_Jew .MOTA LBK Karitiana 0.0478 14.49
    TRANSVERSION SNPs ONLY
    L1 L2 R1 OUT D Z
    Yoruba .MOTA LBK Karitiana -0.0061 -1.03
    MbutiPygmy .MOTA LBK Karitiana -0.0032 -0.494
    Khomani .MOTA LBK Karitiana 0.0029 0.443
    Masai_Kinyaw .MOTA LBK Karitiana 0.0125 2.086
    Somali .MOTA LBK Karitiana 0.03 5.016
    Ethiopian_Je .MOTA LBK Karitiana 0.0425 6.915
    Could you run these again but with Yorubas in Mota's place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awale View Post
    ^ That's not Mota V LBK there... That's Yoruba V LBK and we have essentially the exact same scores as when Mota is used by a difference of about ~1%. Right off the bat, this tells you we're getting rather asinine results in regards to Horn Africans like Somalis and Tigrinyas' results. We've been compared in this way to the likes of Yorubas or Dinkas or Anuaks + a completely West Eurasian (i.e. Sardinians) or mostly West Eurasian population and we know clearly that these aren't results one should expect either via formal stats or ADMIXTURE:
    I agree, after looking at the East African results, they do look pretty inconsistent, do you also notice that the purported WE ancestry in the Luhya and Bantu Kenya increases significantly. This is something that needs to be addressed, but I am surprised Pontus Skoglund and David Reich didn't catch this in their review. Like I said in our pm's, they're really mishandling our chap Mota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awale View Post
    Could you run these again but with Yorubas in Mota's place?
    These are with about 30K transversions only. The Z scores will likely be higher if more SNPs are used. I will try to do one with transitions and transversions and more markers if I have some time tomorrow.

    TRANSVERSION SNPs ONLY
    L1 L2 R1 OUT D Z SNPs
    MbutiPygmy Yoruba LBK Karitiana 0.0028 0.841 30088
    Khomani Yoruba LBK Karitiana 0.0092 2.88 30088
    Masai_Kinyawa Yoruba LBK Karitiana 0.0191 7.894 30087
    Somali Yoruba LBK Karitiana 0.0358 13.4 30088
    Ethiopian_Jew Yoruba LBK Karitiana 0.049 14.81 30089

    TRANSVERSION SNPs ONLY
    L1 L2 R1 OUT D Z SNPs
    MbutiPygmy Yoruba Druze Karitiana 0.0008 0.28 30240
    Khomani Yoruba Druze Karitiana 0.0055 2.078 30240
    Masai_Kinyawa Yoruba Druze Karitiana 0.0146 7.087 30239
    Somali Yoruba Druze Karitiana 0.0294 12.293 30240
    Ethiopian_Jew Yoruba Druze Karitiana 0.039 13.85 30241

    TRANSVERSION SNPs ONLY
    L1 L2 R1 OUT D Z SNPs
    MbutiPygmy Yoruba BedouinB Karitiana 0 0.002 30240
    Khomani Yoruba BedouinB Karitiana 0.0047 1.69 30240
    Masai_Kinyawa Yoruba BedouinB Karitiana 0.0142 6.229 30241
    Somali Yoruba BedouinB Karitiana 0.0303 12.069 30240
    Ethiopian_Jew Yoruba BedouinB Karitiana 0.038 12.77 30241

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    Khomani Yoruba Kotias Karitiana 0.0041 1.012 27415
    MbutiPygmy Yoruba Kotias Karitiana 0.0058 1.372 27415
    Masai_Kinyawa Yoruba Kotias Karitiana 0.0115 3.565 27414
    Somali Yoruba Kotias Karitiana 0.0251 6.836 27415
    Ethiopian_Jew Yoruba Kotias Karitiana 0.033 7.73 27416

    TRANSVERSION SNPs ONLY
    L1 L2 R1 OUT D Z SNPs
    MbutiPygmy Yoruba Anatolia Neolithic Karitiana 0.003 1.004 30159
    Khomani Yoruba Anatolia Neolithic Karitiana 0.0106 3.525 30156
    Masai_Kinyawa Yoruba Anatolia Neolithic Karitiana 0.0208 9.224 30155
    Somali Yoruba Anatolia Neolithic Karitiana 0.039 15.53 30158
    Ethiopian_Jew Yoruba Anatolia Neolithic Karitiana 0.0516 17.05 30157

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    L1 L2 R1 OUT D Z SNPs
    MbutiPygmy .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana -0.0004 -0.125 135489
    Yoruba .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana 0.0008 0.296 135487
    Khomani .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana 0.0079 2.648 135485
    Masai_Kinyawa .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana 0.0213 7.49 135484
    Somali .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana 0.0389 13.813 135488
    Ethiopian_Jew .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana 0.0487 15.884 135486
    TRANSVERSION SNPs ONLY
    L1 L2 R1 OUT D Z SNPs
    Yoruba .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana -0.004 -0.73 24565
    MbutiPygmy .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana -0.0004 -0.062 24567
    Khomani .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana 0.0063 1.047 24563
    Masai_Kinyaw .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana 0.0163 2.943 24562
    Somali .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana 0.0347 6.328 24566
    Ethiopian_Je .MOTA Anatolia_Neolithic Karitiana 0.047 8.347 24564

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