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Thread: Should DF27* men (from the M343 SNP Pack) order the new DF27 SNP Pack?

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    Should DF27* men (from the M343 SNP Pack) order the new DF27 SNP Pack?

    Now that FTDNA is actually offering an R1b-DF27 SNP Pack with a specific definition (161 SNPs), the question is: Should those who previously received a DF27* result from the R1b-M343 SNP Pack now order this one?

    Specifically, in my project, #196199 and #399633 are DF27* according to the R1b-M343 Backbone SNP Pack.

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    Yes. The R1b-DF27 one, not the Z210 or the Z198 ones. There are three new packs, all tailored to distinct (large) segments of the DF27 project. (They didn't use my tailor, but their groupings are at least penetrable.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    Yes. The R1b-DF27 one, not the Z210 or the Z198 ones.
    Could you tell me more precisely which new subclades the new R1b-DF27 pack tests for (i.e., beyond what the R1b-M343 pack tests for)? Do Polish men have any realistic chance of testing positive for these additional subclades, or are they localized geographically?

    I'm sorry to ask for such detail, but it is difficult to suggest to someone who has already spent $79 on one SNP pack, to spend another $99 on another, if the result is merely to move from DF27** to DF27***.
    Last edited by lgmayka; 10-30-2015 at 09:25 AM.

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    I have emailed you with the details I have, on that.

    Did not post the analysis here because Mike Walsh did it, I didn't. He shared it on the DF27 Yahoo group last night, if others are looking for it and not finding it here.
    Last edited by razyn; 10-30-2015 at 02:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    I have emailed you with the details I have, on that.
    My interpretation is that the new DF27 pack tests the following subclades beyond what the backbone pack tests. Some of them are on YFull's haplotree, often with different names.
    A6137
    CTS5885 (R-Y11849, British)
    DF79 (R-DF79, Spanish)
    FGC20747 (R-FGC20747, Iberian and Central European)
    FGC23071
    S400
    BY3289
    Z2552 (R-Z2552, Spanish; L617 subclade includes a Ukrainian but is already tested by M343 SNP Pack)
    Z2560 (R-Z2559, Spanish, Scandinavian, and Italian)
    Y14084 (R-Y13607, British)
    Z31644
    Z34609
    S7432 (within R-S6206, Spanish)
    BY3291

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    Germany Imperial United Kingdom Norway Spain
    How much does the DF27 pack cost?

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    #Igmayka:
    Thanks for your interpretation. These snps are broad but not very deep. Z2560 (R-Z2559, Spanish, Scandinavian, and Italian) is co-equal to DF83 under ZZ12 on the ytree.net site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rln View Post
    #Igmayka:
    Thanks for your interpretation. These snps are broad but not very deep.
    lgmayka is specifically looking for SNPs at the same level as the ones already tested by his project members who took advantage of the M-343 Backbone pack. So in Mike W's analytical material that I sent him, he checked level 4 (except that in the case of those below ZZ19, he went down to level 5). The test itself, and Mike's documentation, goes down to level 9 in one case, level 8 in eleven cases, level 6 or 7 in most. These are just the 14 major, higher-level (and normally older) SNPs included in the DF27 pack, that were not included on the M-343 pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krefter View Post
    How much does the DF27 pack cost?
    The introductory price is $99. But this will presumably rise to $119 within a week or two, as with other SNP packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rln View Post
    These snps are broad but not very deep.
    I only looked at the highest non-ZZ level. The SNP pack actually tests over 160 SNPs!

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