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Thread: Haplogroup percentages for FTDNA's Ireland Y DNA Project

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    Haplogroup percentages for FTDNA's Ireland Y DNA Project

    For those interested I went through this project to classify the haplogroups. Of the ~6000 members of this project, I only used samples that said they were born in Ireland or had "Ireland" or "Northern Ireland" in the country column, and had confirmed SNPs (those in green in the haplogroup column).

    This resulted in 1675 samples.

    Highlights include:
    R1b = 81%
    L21 = 60%
    I =13.5%
    U106 = 4.8%
    DF27 = 2.75%
    CTS4528 = 2.1%
    U152 = 2%
    J = 1.6%
    R1a = 1.5%
    G = 1.1%

    See attachment for a more detailed list
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    Busby et al have R1b-L21 at over 70% in all of their sample locations in Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Busby et al have R1b-L21 at over 70% in all of their sample locations in Ireland.
    Don't forget to account for the 187 R1b samples classified in haplogroups above L21 i.e. M343, P25, M269, L23, L51, M412, L151/P310, P311, P312 (see the image attachment in post 1).

    L21 made up 83% of the 1209 samples below P311.

    187 x .83 = 155 additional L21 samples
    Add 155 to the 1004 L21 samples =1159
    1159/1675 total samples = 69.2% of all samples may have been L21.

    Busby got 73.7% overall for Ireland using the numbers you posted here http://eng.molgen.org/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=1053

    Continuing this exercise with the other haplogroups below P311.
    U106=5.5%. Busby=5.0%
    DF27= 3.2%. Busby P312xL21/U152=6.9%
    U152=2.3%. Busby=2.4%


    Busby's numbers may have been closer to this project's if he had larger samples sizes per region.

    As seen in the link above his sample sizes ranged from 67 to 149.
    With 67 samples in West Ireland his confidence level is ~90% with a 10% margin of error.

    To get a confidence level of 95% with a 5% margin of error for each region, one would need a minimum of 385 samples per region. Busby had 377 for all of Ireland
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    What is the proportion of M222 in Ireland ?
    198 of the 1675 say "M222", but this doesn't include all the haplogroups below M222. It will take me a while to calculate this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    What is the proportion of M222 in Ireland ?
    343 of 1675 were M222 and its branches...or about 1/3rd of all L21.

    M222 may be around 23.6% of the total Ireland project when you estimate how many additional M222 are in the 187 samples above P311.

    Forgot to attach a link to the actual project these numbers are coming from https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    343 of 1675 were M222 and its branches...or about 1/3rd of all L21.

    M222 may be around 23.6% of the total Ireland project when you estimate how many additional M222 are in the 187 samples above P311.

    Forgot to attach a link to the actual project these numbers are coming from https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
    The dominance of relatively late L21 clades in Ireland from M222 to other clades linked to AD period royal lines in the south of Ireland makes me think we cannot read anything much into absolute totals of L21. If you subtract all the L21 people in Ireland who are not linked to clades that are little more than 2000 years old or significantly younger then the total nosedives. So, its impossible to know if Ireland was particularly high in L21 compared to other parts of the isles before these clades exploded. It may not have been significantly lower and Ireland may have not been the L21 peak before that. All we know is the descendants of a handful of royal men in late BC or first millenia AD period Ireland probably replaced a majority of the male lines that existed before that. How many modern descendants a few royal men from 2000 years ago or less produced in Ireland Ireland might be absolutely mind blowing once the details are known - meaning that modern percentages tell us absolutely zilch about the reality 2000+ years ago.

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    According to Chromo2 which used people who's grandfather came from the receptive areas the frequency for L21 is

    Connacht..........73
    Leinster............70
    Munster............73
    Ulster...............61

    and M222

    Connacht..........29
    Leinster............18
    Munster.............5
    Ulster...............30

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    According to Chromo2 which used people who's grandfather came from the receptive areas the frequency for L21 is
    Do you know what the frequency of people from Ireland that tested with Chromo2 that are terminal for P312 is?

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