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    I can not send a pm, says I need to have posted 10 times, and I have only posted once, but, I appreciate this post, and your time on this matter, It has been rumored as of recently, that our lost ancestry may be Romany Gypsy, I have hit a wall, only so much I can figure out on my own, if you have the time, I would be very appreciative . ty Geri.

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    Out of genuine curiosity, would orcadian-hgdp,25% romanian-a-behar meet that criteria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBouse View Post
    Out of genuine curiosity, would orcadian-hgdp,25% romanian-a-behar meet that criteria?
    no. not sure how much but romani have a percentage of south asian/indian/pakistani as far as im aware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBouse View Post
    Out of genuine curiosity, would orcadian-hgdp,25% romanian-a-behar meet that criteria?
    Behar would signify jewish ancestry from what I understand of that, so no that would not.

    BTW, welcome to the H2a2a1 mtDNA club. That might be a clue for you, not necessarily indicating Romani, but it isn't common in western europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBouse View Post
    I can not send a pm, says I need to have posted 10 times, and I have only posted once, but, I appreciate this post, and your time on this matter, It has been rumored as of recently, that our lost ancestry may be Romany Gypsy, I have hit a wall, only so much I can figure out on my own, if you have the time, I would be very appreciative . ty Geri.

    A026519 Geraldine Bouse
    You have a few Romani connections in your list, but I would triangulate the matches to see which way the geneflow has gone, as it may be shared non-Romani ancestry, rather than Romani ancestry..

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    Interesting thread.

    Someone wrote that "Romanians_Behar" is jewish. I've tried to google this as fact, could anyone explain it to me?
    Is anything ending in Behar a Jewish result for Gedmatch calcs?
    Also I'm gathering that Romanian/Hungarian/Mordovian results don't equal Gypsy?

    My documented /autosomal known heritage is scottish/scandi/welsh/bit middle eastern, american indian.
    Dr. McDonald also doubly confirmed the Middle Eastern and American Indian results.

    On a couple Eurogenes test, Eurasia K9 and puntDNAL I see a small Indian result.
    Is this interesting? What am I most likely?

     
    Jtest Oracle

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 97.9% Orcadian + 2.1% AJ @ 0.93
    2 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% GE @ 1.03
    3 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Kalash @ 1.06
    4 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Balochi @ 1.06
    5 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Brahui @ 1.06
    6 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% TR @ 1.07
    7 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Armenian @ 1.07
    8 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Burusho @ 1.07
    9 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Lezgin @ 1.07
    10 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% IR @ 1.09
    11 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Kurdish @ 1.09
    12 99% Orcadian + 1% Sindhi @ 1.09

    EUtest Oracle

    Population
    SOUTH_BALTIC 12.84
    EAST_EURO 11.78
    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.62
    ATLANTIC 28.96
    WEST_MED 10.32
    EAST_MED 2.23
    WEST_ASIAN 5.36
    MIDDLE_EASTERN -
    SOUTH_ASIAN 0.68
    EAST_AFRICAN -
    EAST_ASIAN -
    SIBERIAN 0.20
    WEST_AFRICAN -

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.7% IE + 24.3% West_&_Central_German @ 0.62
    2 71.1% IE + 28.9% NL @ 0.67
    3 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% GE @ 0.77
    4 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% TR @ 0.8
    5 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Armenian @ 0.81
    6 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Brahui @ 0.83
    7 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% Lezgin @ 0.83
    8 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Balochi @ 0.83
    9 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% IR @ 0.84
    10 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Kurdish @ 0.84
    11 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Assyrian @ 0.86
    12 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% Tuscan @ 0.87
    13 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Kalash @ 0.88
    14 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Mandean @ 0.89
    15 98.2% Orcadian + 1.8% GR @ 0.89
    16 85.3% Orcadian + 14.7% NL @ 0.9
    17 69.3% IE + 30.7% English @ 0.9
    18 98.1% Orcadian + 1.9% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 0.9
    19 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Burusho @ 0.9
    20 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Sindhi @ 0.91




    Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 Argyll_1000Genomes + Argyll_1000Genomes + Argyll_1000Genomes + Romanians_Behar @ 1.936702

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 0.95
    2 96.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.2% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.07
    3 97% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.09
    4 97% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.1
    5 88.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 11.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.11
    6 96.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.3% Lezgins (Behar) @ 1.11
    7 96.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.13
    8 93.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 6.7% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.13


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    Harrappa World


    Population
    S-Indian -
    Baloch 12.23
    Caucasian 6.28
    NE-Euro 49.12
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian 0.37
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan -
    American -
    Beringian 0.86
    Mediterranean 31.14
    SW-Asian -
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 92.9% british (1000genomes) + 7.1% urkarah (xing) @ 0.85
    2 93.3% british (1000genomes) + 6.7% lezgin (behar) @ 0.91
    3 92.6% british (1000genomes) + 7.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 0.98
    4 93.5% british (1000genomes) + 6.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 1.04
    5 93.4% british (1000genomes) + 6.6% kumyk (yunusbayev)


    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + serbian_harappa @ 2.503356
    2 british_1000genomes + orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + serbian_harappa @ 2.533726
    3 orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + romanian-a_behar @ 2.665746
    4 french_hgdp + hungarian_behar + orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp @ 2.755345
    5 british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + hungarian_behar @ 2.778255



    MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Dutch_ + French_South_ + Russian_North_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 1.416417
    2 Dutch_ + French_South_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 1.512855
    3 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + French_South_ + Mordovian_ @ 1.569433
    4 German-Volga_ + North_European_ + Swede_Saami_ + Welsh_ @ 1.586195
    5 English_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + South_German_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 1.599985


    Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions

    Population
    North_Atlantic 51.89
    Baltic 22.27
    West_Med 11.28
    West_Asian 6.44
    East_Med 3.84
    Red_Sea 0.60
    South_Asian 1.31
    East_Asian -
    Siberian 1.73
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.10
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 0.49

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96.3% West_Scottish + 3.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.05
    2 95.7% West_Scottish + 4.3% Turkmen @ 2.08
    3 96.4% West_Scottish + 3.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.09
    4 96% West_Scottish + 4% Azeri @ 2.12
    5 96.5% West_Scottish + 3.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.13


    puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_Europe 48.05
    2 SW_Europe 34.37
    3 West_Asia 9.7
    4 South_Asia 2.53
    5 SW_Asia 1.57
    6 Siberia 1.5
    7 West_Africa 0.77
    8 South_Africa 0.63
    9 Americas 0.46
    10 Oceania 0.41

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96.3% Irish + 3.7% Paniya @ 2.1
    2 96% Irish + 4% Mawasi @ 2.14
    3 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Paniya @ 2.14
    4 95.9% Irish + 4.1% Gond @ 2.17
    5 96% Irish + 4% Chenchus @ 2.18
    6 96.1% Orcadian + 3.9% Mawasi @ 2.19

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
    1 French_Basque + Moldavian + Mordovian + Norwegian @ 2.997979
    2 French_Basque + Moldavian + Mordovian + Swedish @ 3.327521
    3 French_Basque + German_North + Moldavian + Mordovian @ 3.329837
    4 German_South + German_South + German_South + Mordovian @ 3.368692
    5 French_Basque + Irish + Moldavian + Mordovian @ 3.381960


    puntDNAL K15

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_European 54.02
    2 Mediterranean 31.46
    3 Caucasian 9.56
    4 S_Indian 2.22
    5 Siberian 0.87
    6 Horn_Of_Africa 0.79
    7 Beringian 0.62
    8 W_African 0.23
    9 SW_Asian 0.1
    10 Omo_River 0.06
    11 S_African 0.06


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 50.9% North_German + 49.1% French @ 2.21
    2 91% South_German + 9% Karelian @ 2.32
    3 93.2% Utahn_White + 6.8% Karelian @ 2.34
    4 72.8% South_German + 27.2% North_German @ 2.34
    5 95.5% Utahn_White + 4.5% Chuvash @ 2.36
    6 62.6% French + 37.4% Swedish @ 2.36
    7 78.7% French + 21.3% Karelian @ 2.39
    8 79% North_German + 21% Portuguese @ 2.39
    9 91.8% South_German + 8.2% Finnish @ 2.39



    Dodecad K7b Oracle

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +50% Hungarians_Behar @ 1.088302


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% British_Dodecad +25% Bulgarian_Dodecad +25% Lithuanian_Dodecad @ 0.000000


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
    1 Argyll_1000Genomes + Belorussian_Behar + Orcadian_HGDP + Romanians_Behar @ 0.000000
    2 British_Dodecad + British_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Lithuanian_Dodecad @ 0.000000
    3 British_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 0.000000
    4 CEU30_1000Genomes + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.000000
    5 CEU30_1000Genomes + Polish_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Swedish_Dodecad @ 0.000000

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Baltic 72.83
    2 West_Asian 13.19
    3 Southern 11.97
    4 Siberian 1.06
    5 South_Asian 0.96


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 38.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.44
    2 74.9% Polish (Dodecad) + 25.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.45
    3 91.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 8.2% Turks (Behar) @ 0.48
    4 80.2% Polish (Dodecad) + 19.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 0.49
    5 67.3% Swedish (Dodecad) + 32.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.52
    6 86.2% Swedish (Dodecad) + 13.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.53
    7 91.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 8.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 0.53
    8 95.6% German (Dodecad) + 4.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.56
    9 91% Irish (Dodecad) + 9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.58
    10 96.5% German (Dodecad) + 3.5% Burusho (HGDP)

    Eurasia K9


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 WHG 41.96
    2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.71
    3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 15.04
    4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 13.93
    5 SW_Asian 6.64
    6 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.64
    7 SE_Asian 0.6
    8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.48
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67% Ukrainian + 33% Bulgarian @ 0.94
    2 89.3% Czech + 10.7% Georgian @ 0.98
    3 90.3% Czech + 9.7% Kurd_C @ 1.05
    4 89.3% Czech + 10.7% Abkhasian @ 1.06
    5 90.1% English + 9.9% Lezgin @ 1.12
    6 89.5% English + 10.5% Kumyk @ 1.15
    7 89.8% English + 10.2% Chechen @ 1.18
    8 77.9% Ukrainian + 22.1% Greek @ 1.21
    9 90.9% English + 9.1% Azeri_Dagestan @ 1.22
    10 91.3% Scottish + 8.7% Georgian @ 1.22
    11 91.9% English + 8.1% Iranian @ 1.26
    12 91.4% English + 8.6% Azeri @ 1.3
    13 91.3% Scottish + 8.7% Abkhasian @ 1.31
    14 89.9% English + 10.1% Adygei @ 1.31
    15 96.9% Hungarian + 3.1% Kalash @ 1.33
    16 97% Hungarian + 3% Punjabi @ 1.33
    17 98.1% Hungarian + 1.9% SATSURBILA @ 1.34
    18 96.9% Hungarian + 3.1% Pathan @ 1.34
    19 91.5% English + 8.5% Uzbek_Afghan @ 1.36
    20 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Tajik_Pomiri @ 1.36

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
    1 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.106765
    2 Greek + Icelandic + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.149343
    3 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 1.213098
    4 Bulgarian + English + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.219909
    5 Greek + Norwegian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.245022
    6 Greek + Norwegian + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 1.294754
    7 Greek + Icelandic + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 1.305834
    8 Belarusian + Greek + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 1.391095
    9 Bulgarian + Scottish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.459064
    10 Albanian + Norwegian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.462039


    Gedrosia K12

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 37.66
    2 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 36.82
    3 CAUCASUS 10.33
    4 BALOCHI 6.15
    5 SW_ASIAN 5.58
    6 S_INDIAN 1.61
    7 W_SIBERIAN 1.01
    8 E_SIBERIAN 0.39
    9 INDO_TIBETAN 0.34
    10 E_AFRICAN 0.11


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 66.7% Norwegian + 33.3% Sicilian @ 4.76
    2 77% Norwegian + 23% Iraqi_Jew @ 5.59
    3 61.8% Norwegian + 38.2% Greek @ 5.68
    4 77.5% Norwegian + 22.5% Iraqi_Mandaeans @ 5.83
    5 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Iraqi_Chaldeans @ 6.03
    6 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad @ 6.14

    Ancient Eurasia K6

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 42.83
    2 Natufian 36.52
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.77
    4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.89


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 68.3% Steppe_MLBA + 31.7% Europe_EN @ 0.92
    2 64.7% Jew_Iranian + 35.3% Hungarian_KO1 @ 0.94
    3 64.7% Jew_Iranian + 35.3% WHG @ 0.94
    4 90.2% Scottish + 9.8% Druze @ 1
    5 60.3% Steppe_MLBA + 39.7% Sardinian @ 1.06
    6 89.2% Scottish + 10.8% Cypriot @ 1.08
    7 91.2% Scottish + 8.8% Jew_Iranian @ 1.08
    8 80.5% Scottish + 19.5% Greek @ 1.09


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
    1 Armenia_ChL + Assyrian + Hungarian_KO1 + Romanian @ 0.676857
    2 Armenia_ChL + Assyrian + Romanian + WHG @ 0.676857
    3 Armenia_ChL + Hungarian_KO1 + Jew_Iranian + Romanian @ 0.758221
    4 Armenia_ChL + Jew_Iranian + Romanian + WHG @ 0.758221
    5 Anatolia_N + French + French + Steppe_Eneolithic @ 0.758579
    6 Armenia_ChL + Assyrian + Bulgarian + Hungarian_KO1 @ 0.790350
    7 Armenia_ChL + Assyrian + Bulgarian + WHG @ 0.790350
    8 Hungarian_KO1 + Icelandic + Jew_Iranian + Jew_Iranian @ 0.824547
    9 Icelandic + Jew_Iranian + Jew_Iranian + WHG @ 0.824547
    10 French + Italian_South + Jew_Iranian + Motala12 @ 0.831187

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    Thanks Geborgenheit and Evon !!!
    I spoke with a older friend of our family who said it was no secret that my grandmother was from a Gypsy family. She passed away when I was very young and my mother would not talk about her.
    Apparently she was shunned by most of her neighbors because of her odd ways, for example reading tea leaves and fortune telling. She was also very superstitious and people just found her unusual.
    So now I’m wondering why the proper DNA doesn’t show up for me....was she was adopted maybe or was my mother adopted possibly. Seems like some sort of disconnect somewhere.
    Just confused at this point. Thanks again everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valteague View Post
    Thanks Geborgenheit and Evon !!!
    I spoke with a older friend of our family who said it was no secret that my grandmother was from a Gypsy family. She passed away when I was very young and my mother would not talk about her.
    Apparently she was shunned by most of her neighbors because of her odd ways, for example reading tea leaves and fortune telling. She was also very superstitious and people just found her unusual.
    So now I’m wondering why the proper DNA doesn’t show up for me....was she was adopted maybe or was my mother adopted possibly. Seems like some sort of disconnect somewhere.
    Just confused at this point. Thanks again everyone.
    It is worth pointing out that the "catch phrase" Gypsy dosnt necessarily mean Romani, most Traveler groups, Yenish and other semi-nomadic peoples in Europe use the term Gypsy (this includes vagabonds), or are so called by others. So your grandmother may have had some form of affinity to a non-Romani group, and since you have no obvious Romani matches, I would say that it is likely that Gypsy in this case is a reference to some other non-Romani group.

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    Evon Thanks again for your insight. You are kind to take the time to share your knowledge.

    I will do some research on the groups you mentioned.
    I do know my grandmothers people had very dark coloring and black hair. Sometimes confused with mixed with African American so maybe that can help me narrow the potential groups down.
    If you or anyone else have any other thoughts, I would be very happy to hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askye View Post
    Interesting thread.

    Someone wrote that "Romanians_Behar" is jewish. I've tried to google this as fact, could anyone explain it to me?
    Is anything ending in Behar a Jewish result for Gedmatch calcs?
    Also I'm gathering that Romanian/Hungarian/Mordovian results don't equal Gypsy?

    My documented /autosomal known heritage is scottish/scandi/welsh/bit middle eastern, american indian.
    Dr. McDonald also doubly confirmed the Middle Eastern and American Indian results.

    On a couple Eurogenes test, Eurasia K9 and puntDNAL I see a small Indian result.
    Is this interesting? What am I most likely?

     
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    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 97.9% Orcadian + 2.1% AJ @ 0.93
    2 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% GE @ 1.03
    3 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Kalash @ 1.06
    4 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Balochi @ 1.06
    5 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Brahui @ 1.06
    6 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% TR @ 1.07
    7 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Armenian @ 1.07
    8 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Burusho @ 1.07
    9 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Lezgin @ 1.07
    10 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% IR @ 1.09
    11 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Kurdish @ 1.09
    12 99% Orcadian + 1% Sindhi @ 1.09

    EUtest Oracle

    Population
    SOUTH_BALTIC 12.84
    EAST_EURO 11.78
    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.62
    ATLANTIC 28.96
    WEST_MED 10.32
    EAST_MED 2.23
    WEST_ASIAN 5.36
    MIDDLE_EASTERN -
    SOUTH_ASIAN 0.68
    EAST_AFRICAN -
    EAST_ASIAN -
    SIBERIAN 0.20
    WEST_AFRICAN -

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.7% IE + 24.3% West_&_Central_German @ 0.62
    2 71.1% IE + 28.9% NL @ 0.67
    3 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% GE @ 0.77
    4 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% TR @ 0.8
    5 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Armenian @ 0.81
    6 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Brahui @ 0.83
    7 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% Lezgin @ 0.83
    8 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Balochi @ 0.83
    9 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% IR @ 0.84
    10 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Kurdish @ 0.84
    11 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Assyrian @ 0.86
    12 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% Tuscan @ 0.87
    13 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Kalash @ 0.88
    14 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Mandean @ 0.89
    15 98.2% Orcadian + 1.8% GR @ 0.89
    16 85.3% Orcadian + 14.7% NL @ 0.9
    17 69.3% IE + 30.7% English @ 0.9
    18 98.1% Orcadian + 1.9% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 0.9
    19 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Burusho @ 0.9
    20 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Sindhi @ 0.91




    Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
    1 Argyll_1000Genomes + Argyll_1000Genomes + Argyll_1000Genomes + Romanians_Behar @ 1.936702

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 0.95
    2 96.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.2% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.07
    3 97% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.09
    4 97% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.1
    5 88.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 11.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.11
    6 96.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.3% Lezgins (Behar) @ 1.11
    7 96.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.13
    8 93.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 6.7% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.13


    ---------------------

    Harrappa World


    Population
    S-Indian -
    Baloch 12.23
    Caucasian 6.28
    NE-Euro 49.12
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian 0.37
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan -
    American -
    Beringian 0.86
    Mediterranean 31.14
    SW-Asian -
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 92.9% british (1000genomes) + 7.1% urkarah (xing) @ 0.85
    2 93.3% british (1000genomes) + 6.7% lezgin (behar) @ 0.91
    3 92.6% british (1000genomes) + 7.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 0.98
    4 93.5% british (1000genomes) + 6.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 1.04
    5 93.4% british (1000genomes) + 6.6% kumyk (yunusbayev)


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + serbian_harappa @ 2.503356
    2 british_1000genomes + orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + serbian_harappa @ 2.533726
    3 orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + romanian-a_behar @ 2.665746
    4 french_hgdp + hungarian_behar + orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp @ 2.755345
    5 british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + hungarian_behar @ 2.778255



    MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Dutch_ + French_South_ + Russian_North_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 1.416417
    2 Dutch_ + French_South_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 1.512855
    3 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + French_South_ + Mordovian_ @ 1.569433
    4 German-Volga_ + North_European_ + Swede_Saami_ + Welsh_ @ 1.586195
    5 English_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + South_German_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 1.599985


    Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions

    Population
    North_Atlantic 51.89
    Baltic 22.27
    West_Med 11.28
    West_Asian 6.44
    East_Med 3.84
    Red_Sea 0.60
    South_Asian 1.31
    East_Asian -
    Siberian 1.73
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.10
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 0.49

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96.3% West_Scottish + 3.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.05
    2 95.7% West_Scottish + 4.3% Turkmen @ 2.08
    3 96.4% West_Scottish + 3.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.09
    4 96% West_Scottish + 4% Azeri @ 2.12
    5 96.5% West_Scottish + 3.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.13


    puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_Europe 48.05
    2 SW_Europe 34.37
    3 West_Asia 9.7
    4 South_Asia 2.53
    5 SW_Asia 1.57
    6 Siberia 1.5
    7 West_Africa 0.77
    8 South_Africa 0.63
    9 Americas 0.46
    10 Oceania 0.41

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96.3% Irish + 3.7% Paniya @ 2.1
    2 96% Irish + 4% Mawasi @ 2.14
    3 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Paniya @ 2.14
    4 95.9% Irish + 4.1% Gond @ 2.17
    5 96% Irish + 4% Chenchus @ 2.18
    6 96.1% Orcadian + 3.9% Mawasi @ 2.19

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
    1 French_Basque + Moldavian + Mordovian + Norwegian @ 2.997979
    2 French_Basque + Moldavian + Mordovian + Swedish @ 3.327521
    3 French_Basque + German_North + Moldavian + Mordovian @ 3.329837
    4 German_South + German_South + German_South + Mordovian @ 3.368692
    5 French_Basque + Irish + Moldavian + Mordovian @ 3.381960


    puntDNAL K15

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_European 54.02
    2 Mediterranean 31.46
    3 Caucasian 9.56
    4 S_Indian 2.22
    5 Siberian 0.87
    6 Horn_Of_Africa 0.79
    7 Beringian 0.62
    8 W_African 0.23
    9 SW_Asian 0.1
    10 Omo_River 0.06
    11 S_African 0.06


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 50.9% North_German + 49.1% French @ 2.21
    2 91% South_German + 9% Karelian @ 2.32
    3 93.2% Utahn_White + 6.8% Karelian @ 2.34
    4 72.8% South_German + 27.2% North_German @ 2.34
    5 95.5% Utahn_White + 4.5% Chuvash @ 2.36
    6 62.6% French + 37.4% Swedish @ 2.36
    7 78.7% French + 21.3% Karelian @ 2.39
    8 79% North_German + 21% Portuguese @ 2.39
    9 91.8% South_German + 8.2% Finnish @ 2.39



    Dodecad K7b Oracle

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +50% Hungarians_Behar @ 1.088302


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% British_Dodecad +25% Bulgarian_Dodecad +25% Lithuanian_Dodecad @ 0.000000


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
    1 Argyll_1000Genomes + Belorussian_Behar + Orcadian_HGDP + Romanians_Behar @ 0.000000
    2 British_Dodecad + British_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Lithuanian_Dodecad @ 0.000000
    3 British_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 0.000000
    4 CEU30_1000Genomes + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.000000
    5 CEU30_1000Genomes + Polish_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Swedish_Dodecad @ 0.000000

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Baltic 72.83
    2 West_Asian 13.19
    3 Southern 11.97
    4 Siberian 1.06
    5 South_Asian 0.96


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 38.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.44
    2 74.9% Polish (Dodecad) + 25.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.45
    3 91.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 8.2% Turks (Behar) @ 0.48
    4 80.2% Polish (Dodecad) + 19.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 0.49
    5 67.3% Swedish (Dodecad) + 32.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.52
    6 86.2% Swedish (Dodecad) + 13.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.53
    7 91.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 8.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 0.53
    8 95.6% German (Dodecad) + 4.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.56
    9 91% Irish (Dodecad) + 9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.58
    10 96.5% German (Dodecad) + 3.5% Burusho (HGDP)

    Eurasia K9


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 WHG 41.96
    2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.71
    3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 15.04
    4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 13.93
    5 SW_Asian 6.64
    6 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.64
    7 SE_Asian 0.6
    8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.48
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67% Ukrainian + 33% Bulgarian @ 0.94
    2 89.3% Czech + 10.7% Georgian @ 0.98
    3 90.3% Czech + 9.7% Kurd_C @ 1.05
    4 89.3% Czech + 10.7% Abkhasian @ 1.06
    5 90.1% English + 9.9% Lezgin @ 1.12
    6 89.5% English + 10.5% Kumyk @ 1.15
    7 89.8% English + 10.2% Chechen @ 1.18
    8 77.9% Ukrainian + 22.1% Greek @ 1.21
    9 90.9% English + 9.1% Azeri_Dagestan @ 1.22
    10 91.3% Scottish + 8.7% Georgian @ 1.22
    11 91.9% English + 8.1% Iranian @ 1.26
    12 91.4% English + 8.6% Azeri @ 1.3
    13 91.3% Scottish + 8.7% Abkhasian @ 1.31
    14 89.9% English + 10.1% Adygei @ 1.31
    15 96.9% Hungarian + 3.1% Kalash @ 1.33
    16 97% Hungarian + 3% Punjabi @ 1.33
    17 98.1% Hungarian + 1.9% SATSURBILA @ 1.34
    18 96.9% Hungarian + 3.1% Pathan @ 1.34
    19 91.5% English + 8.5% Uzbek_Afghan @ 1.36
    20 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Tajik_Pomiri @ 1.36

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
    1 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.106765
    2 Greek + Icelandic + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.149343
    3 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 1.213098
    4 Bulgarian + English + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.219909
    5 Greek + Norwegian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.245022
    6 Greek + Norwegian + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 1.294754
    7 Greek + Icelandic + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 1.305834
    8 Belarusian + Greek + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 1.391095
    9 Bulgarian + Scottish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.459064
    10 Albanian + Norwegian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.462039


    Gedrosia K12

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 37.66
    2 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 36.82
    3 CAUCASUS 10.33
    4 BALOCHI 6.15
    5 SW_ASIAN 5.58
    6 S_INDIAN 1.61
    7 W_SIBERIAN 1.01
    8 E_SIBERIAN 0.39
    9 INDO_TIBETAN 0.34
    10 E_AFRICAN 0.11


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 66.7% Norwegian + 33.3% Sicilian @ 4.76
    2 77% Norwegian + 23% Iraqi_Jew @ 5.59
    3 61.8% Norwegian + 38.2% Greek @ 5.68
    4 77.5% Norwegian + 22.5% Iraqi_Mandaeans @ 5.83
    5 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Iraqi_Chaldeans @ 6.03
    6 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad @ 6.14

    Ancient Eurasia K6

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 42.83
    2 Natufian 36.52
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.77
    4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.89


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 68.3% Steppe_MLBA + 31.7% Europe_EN @ 0.92
    2 64.7% Jew_Iranian + 35.3% Hungarian_KO1 @ 0.94
    3 64.7% Jew_Iranian + 35.3% WHG @ 0.94
    4 90.2% Scottish + 9.8% Druze @ 1
    5 60.3% Steppe_MLBA + 39.7% Sardinian @ 1.06
    6 89.2% Scottish + 10.8% Cypriot @ 1.08
    7 91.2% Scottish + 8.8% Jew_Iranian @ 1.08
    8 80.5% Scottish + 19.5% Greek @ 1.09


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
    1 Armenia_ChL + Assyrian + Hungarian_KO1 + Romanian @ 0.676857
    2 Armenia_ChL + Assyrian + Romanian + WHG @ 0.676857
    3 Armenia_ChL + Hungarian_KO1 + Jew_Iranian + Romanian @ 0.758221
    4 Armenia_ChL + Jew_Iranian + Romanian + WHG @ 0.758221
    5 Anatolia_N + French + French + Steppe_Eneolithic @ 0.758579
    6 Armenia_ChL + Assyrian + Bulgarian + Hungarian_KO1 @ 0.790350
    7 Armenia_ChL + Assyrian + Bulgarian + WHG @ 0.790350
    8 Hungarian_KO1 + Icelandic + Jew_Iranian + Jew_Iranian @ 0.824547
    9 Icelandic + Jew_Iranian + Jew_Iranian + WHG @ 0.824547
    10 French + Italian_South + Jew_Iranian + Motala12 @ 0.831187
    No, it only means samples are taken form Behar study. But only in some calculators authors indicated it. Romanians and Hungarians from Behar are ethnic Romanians and Hungarians.
    Jews from those countries in this study are Austrohungarian_Jews and Romanian_Jews

    And Romanian isn't Romani.
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