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    Rare markers with DYS 393 = 14 and DYS 426 = 13 no matches ever found in data bases

    Here are the results performed a while back at National Geographic:

    DYS 393 = 14
    DYS 19 = 14
    DYS 391 = 11
    DYS 439 = 13
    DYS 389I = 13
    DYS 389 II = 17
    DYS 388 = 12
    DYS 390 = 23
    DYS 426 = 13
    DYS 385a = 11
    DYS 385b = 14
    DYS 392 = 13

    No one was ever been able to narrow this one down. Upon a recent inspection of the results at National Geographic, they had changed the classification to a generic R-M343. Anyone with any idea on classification or narrowing down? A good day.

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    Looking through the R1b gateway project it looks like there are a handful of people with that combination, scattered amongst different R1b subclades. Adding in your other markers it looks like your closest match might be someone in R-CTS6889 and someone in R-Z198 but I think you would really need to have more markers to compare to have confidence in a real connection with either of those subclades.

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    With a DYS426=13 value, I'm betting on R1b-CTS6889 or a rare R1b-PF7589*. Please join the R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) DNA Project if you have a FTDNA account. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...ew/about/goals
    YFull R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Y14512>Y20971>Y22199, ISOGG R1b1a1a2a2c1b Y14416, FTDNA R-M64

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    Hello All,

    It has been two years and I still have not been able to find a full match to my basic 12 marker test. Any guesses to the likely geographic epicenter(s)? Any new information regarding potential classifications? Thank you again.

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    When STRs fail, you might want to turn to SNP testing. Have you tried the Big Y or even the M343 SNP pack?

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    Hello rms,

    Thank you for your recommendation. Not yet, and won't for able for a while for reasons of living overseas and very remotely for the next year. While I understand the unreliabilities with such guesswork, any gut feelings for a geographic epicenter?. All best

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percival View Post
    Hello rms,

    Thank you for your recommendation. Not yet, and won't for able for a while for reasons of living overseas and very remotely for the next year. While I understand the unreliabilities with such guesswork, any gut feelings for a geographic epicenter?. All best
    This is a complete shot in the dark, and it's even darker where I am trying to shoot, because you have only 12 markers. But, that said, the only glimmer I see in your haplotype is 390=23. That is really common in R1b-U106.

    Before everyone jumps on me, however, please realize I am simply taking a shot, and know that I am fully aware that 390=23 in R1b is not even close to a guarantee of U106+ status. There are plenty of U106 guys with other values at 390. I myself have 390=23 and I am U106-.

    However, based on a mere 12 markers, that's the best I can do. 390=23 is really common in U106 and, if right, would point to a Germanic origin of some kind. If you are of British ancestry, that would mean Anglo-Saxons or possibly Vikings (and there are plenty of people who will really get torqued at my saying that, as well).

    But you need more markers and some SNP testing.
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