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    feyliDNAproject, the first independent project for SW Iran

    Introduction
    Greetings, I'm the administrator of the feyliDNAproject. Which is an independent and community driven genealogical project. The primary focus of this project is to facilitate genetic testing of members of the largely understudied Feyli tribes of Ilam province in Iran aswell as to create a scientific basis for study for this practicular group. We hold the view that the groups in the South-Western Iranian plateau have largely been neglected by the broader academia within the academic areas of population genetics, history and ethnology.

    This is the first genetic project of this kind. At the present moment there are no known DNA project for South-West Iranian tribes.
    Our primary mission is to encourage participation and create interest amongst the expatriate Feyli community, via simple to use genetic tests, and more importantly to make a formal contribution to the scientific genetic knowledge base of the South-Western part of the iranian plateau. Getting samples from people of Feyli ancestry, is the first step in uncovering the genetic diverhsity and character of the region of South Western Iran.

    Informal mission statement
    The main motivation for creating this project was the absence of any scientific studies regarding Feylis. Feylis are a group of previously pastoralist Zagros tribes living within an area compromising modern day Ilam aswell as Eastern Iraq. An area which has since the dawn of history housed much human activity through out history. The Ilam, alongside with the neighbouring and related provinces( such as Loorestan and Kermanshah) form an area where several prominent historical civilizations present within its territories. From the Kassites, Elamites , Medians and Achaemenians to the Parthians and Sassanians. Ilam along with Loorestan are also the areas which gave rise to the largely unidentified and extensive "luristan bronze" culture . Where a series of unique metallurgical material cultures emerged, and have provided with many of the findings within the archaeological finds of South Western Iran.



    Because of the nature of modern-state building, urbanization, and the lack of regional interest in academic disicplines such as ethnology, population genetics. The area has largely been neglected by formal academia. Many Feylis are unaware of their own cultural affinities, origin, history much of what compromises group identity. This is a part of a community driven effort to remedy this problem. By fullfilling this project we hope to promote Feylis interest in their history, heritage and culture. And more broadly to illuminate the regions uniqnueness and raise interest in the region.

    We will also be colloborating in the future and hopefully release the project samples to be incorporated in any datasets for any genetic studies and genetic analysis, by request.

    Final Notes
    We are currently in the beginning phases, of the project. I will be updating this thread in the near future for collaboratory purposes. We have purchased 8 kits from 23andme. And aim to raise more funds to purchase additional kits, to subsidize ktis for project participants and to the improve the pool f current data to give a more complete picture of Feyli genetic diversity. We will also be involved in a more comprehensive endeavours, such as using free source genetic dna analysis tools to cross analyze feyli samples with samples from other adjacent areas, to explore genealogical connections betweeen different South-West Iranian groups.

    You can visit our primary website, for updates, illustrations and many things to come:
    http://feylidnaproject.blogspot.se/

    If you have any questions about the project, or questions about Feylis. Feel free to ask them in this thread or contact me privately via PMs.

    Please do refrain from publishing the results in this thread formally on blogs/websites, without the expressed consent of the project adminstrator. As the results are the property of project(Paid for by the project adminstrator). In the future, should anyone want to publish the information on this thread, please do contact me beforehand. In-line with honest etiquette and respect for the integrity of the project.

    /Yours
    Administrator of the Feyli DNA project.
    Last edited by FeyliDNAproject; 11-19-2015 at 07:25 AM.

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    Has any Feyli Y-DNA been tested yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Has any Feyli Y-DNA been tested yet?
    Yes. However we do not have access to their genetic data. Only 2 are currently contactable.

    So far we've observed from the data of 8 people:

    YDNA:
    5 x J1

    MTDNA:
    2x H13a1
    2x J1
    1x T1
    1x X2e
    1x U8b
    1x J2b1


    Male lineages from the very limited sample pool, so far have been more uniform(J1) in comparison to Female lineages. Also interesting to note, is that the female MTDNA mutations are almost exclusively associated with neolithic distribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeyliDNAproject View Post
    Yes. However we do not have access to their genetic data. Only 2 are currently contactable.

    So far we've observed from the data of 8 people:

    YDNA:
    5 x J1

    MTDNA:
    2x H13a1
    2x J1
    1x T1
    1x X2e
    1x U8b
    1x J2b1


    Male lineages from the very limited sample pool, so far have been more uniform(J1) in comparison to Female lineages. Also interesting to note, is that the female MTDNA mutations are almost exclusively associated with neolithic distribution.
    Would you be willing to send DNA files of Feyli for further analysis? If you upload Feyli DNA to openSNP, Ian Logan will add their mtDNA to his database.

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    There is a feyli guy in 23andme, Y-DNA J2a1a and mtDNA HV. There is also a Feyli with mtDNA L3d3a, not sure about his Y-DNA tho. https://www.23andme.com/you/community/thread/29803/

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    Quote Originally Posted by FeyliDNAproject View Post
    Yes. However we do not have access to their genetic data. Only 2 are currently contactable.

    So far we've observed from the data of 8 people:

    YDNA:
    5 x J1

    MTDNA:
    2x H13a1
    2x J1
    1x T1
    1x X2e
    1x U8b
    1x J2b1


    Male lineages from the very limited sample pool, so far have been more uniform(J1) in comparison to Female lineages. Also interesting to note, is that the female MTDNA mutations are almost exclusively associated with neolithic distribution.
    I suppose all those J1s are Arabian kind, there is an Arabian population somewhere in that area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krefter View Post
    Would you be willing to send DNA files of Feyli for further analysis? If you upload Feyli DNA to openSNP, Ian Logan will add their mtDNA to his database.
    We will eventually. At the present moment we only have 2 sample's data available.

    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    There is a feyli guy in 23andme, Y-DNA J2a1a and mtDNA HV. There is also a Feyli with mtDNA L3d3a, not sure about his Y-DNA tho. https://www.23andme.com/you/community/thread/29803/
    I've tried to contact him to no avail. He is from the Khezel tribe which immigrated to Ilam.

    Quote Originally Posted by paulgill View Post
    I suppose all those J1s are Arabian kind, there is an Arabian population somewhere in that area?
    I think it depends on the phylogenic mutations that determine subclade. J1 associated with Islamic expansion and semitic speakers tends to statistically be J1e. We have not yet found any j1eamongst Feyli samples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeyliDNAproject View Post
    I think it depends on the phylogenic mutations that determine subclade. J1 associated with islamic expansion and semitic speakers tends to statistically be J1e. We have not yet found any j1e amongst feylis samples.
    Where do you reside? Is there an area or a town in there named Khabar, Khabur, or Khabra? I am J1-P58-Z1853* but am unable to find any close Arabian connection, P58-L862 found in Arabia seems to be only one out of many branches of Z1853. As we are Jatt, a connection to Guti from Zagros Mountains is a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulgill View Post
    Where do you reside? Is there an area or a town in there named Khabar, Khabur, or Khabra? I am J1-P58-Z1853* but am unable to find any close Arabian connection, P58-L862 found in Arabia seems to be only one out of many branches of Z1853. As we are Jatt, a connection to Guti from Zagros Mountains is a possibility.
    I only know one Feyli participant whose paternal subclade is known. And it is under the designation PZ7263. Which is a phylogenetic branch of J1a. As for your question regarding the towns. There are no towns called Khabur in Ilam or South- Western Iran. Except for a village of Arab speakers in Rudbar district of Ilam there are no known connection to Arabs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeyliDNAproject View Post
    I only know one Feyli participant whose paternal subclade is known. And it is under the designation PZ7263. Which is a phylogenetic branch of J1a. As for your question regarding the towns. There are no towns called Khabur in Ilam or South- Western Iran. Except for a village of Arab speakers in Rudbar district of Ilam there are no known connection to Arabs.
    I know that this is a bit unrelated but do you know of any Bakhtiaris who have tested at either Family Tree DNA or 23andme?

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