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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    What did you 'draw' this with ? Paint ? MS Powerpoint?
    TreeGraph 2 (timescaled phylogeny with SNPs) > SVG export > Inkscape (text, timescale, etc.) > PNG export
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    I was just reconsidering this graph to establish the oldest paragroups (earliest splits with unknown subhaplogroups). Those have been receiving data or are still lacking at least two NGS samples:
    1. J2a-PF5125,PF5116(xZ2227,Z2229,PF5119) TMRCA ca. 16400 years, one BigY available, one distant J2-SNP-Pack result
    2. J2a-Z6064(xZ6063) TMRCA ca. 15800 years, three BigY and one Hallast et al 2014 available
    3. J2a-PF5172(xPF5169) TMRCA ca. 14300 years, two BigY and one Hallast et al 2014 available
    4. J2b1-Z575,Z1825(xM241) TMRCA ca. 14000 years, two BigY, one 1000-Genome and one PGP available
    5. J2a2-PF5050,PF5008(xPF5058) TMRCA ca. 13700 years, one 1000-Genome available, one J2-SNP-Pack result
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    I made a small update to v3.2: minor adjustments and L198 corrected to L192.
    DOI publication since I probably will not update this version anymore and instead create a new one based on a newer YTree version:
    Rottensteiner, C. (2016): J2 main subclades tree with time estimates based on YFull YTree v3.17. figshare.
    https://dx.doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.3364732.v1
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    I posted this in another thread and figured I would re-post here since this is probably the more appropriate thread.

    So I recently received my results from 23andMe and it spit out my paternal haplogroup as "J2a1b1*". Is that the same thing as J-M92? Or is only J2a1b1 without the asterisk J-M92 and J2a1b1 with an * is something altogether different? I can trace my father's line to the 1780s (when the paper trail starts) and, per the paper trail, they were all Ashkenazi Jews from, what today is, the very western part of Czech Republic, bordering Germany. I have read that the J-M92 subclade is found among Ashkenazi so, I guess, the group assignment would make sense. I have no idea if I am part of the L556 group, as I have not idea how to read the raw DNA data from 23andMe but, I suspect, it is a possibility. It certainly would corroborate the paper trail.

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    Trying to make an update on the oldest and rare/interesting J2 haplogroups:
    1. J2a2-PF5050,PF5008(xPF5058,L581) formed 17800 ybp, TMRCA 16100 ybp, one 1000-Genome available, one J2-SNP-Pack result
    2. J2a-PF5125,PF5116(xZ2227,Z2229,PF5119) formed 15500 ybp, two BigY uploaded to YFull, TMRCA 12300 ybp
    3. J2a-Z6064(xZ6063,Z6055) formed 15700 ybp, three samples @YFull and one Hallast et al 2014, TMRCA 11500 ybp
    4. J2a-Z2222,PF5160(xL24,PF5197) formed 15500 ybp, one J2-SNP-Pack result
    5. J2b-M102(xZ534) formed 15100 ybp, one unpaid YFull sample
    6. J2b-Z575,Z1825(xM241) formed 15100 ybp, TMRCA 13400 ybp, three subclades with each 2+ kits
    7. J2a-Z7430,FGC23952/Y8998(xZ7403,YSC0000253) formed 13700 ybp, low-res Stoneking, Lippold et al 2014 sample and possibly one J2-STR67 result
    8. J2a-PF5172(xZ7314) formed 12800 ybp, three samples @YFull and one Hallast et al 2014, TMRCA 4000 ybp
    Last edited by ChrisR; 11-21-2018 at 09:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    J2b-Z575,Z1825(xM241) formed 15100 ybp, TMRCA 13400 ybp, three subclades with each 2+ kits
    Interesting kits by Hunter P.:
    my predictions for some of these interesting Z2453 samples based on computing GDs to ancestral STRs I derived for each subclade, only looking at 20 stable markers useful for differentiating Z2453. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oZr...ew?usp=sharing - So only two look definitively basal Z2453 to me but all five may split 13,000 year old clades.
    Hunter_J2b-Z2453_201811.jpg
    842222 ordered BigY (two days ago)
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    Unfinished/Unreviewed Update oldest and rare/interesting J2a haplogroups (FTDNA,YFull defining SNPs - YFull estimates):

    • J2a2-PF5050,PF5008(xPF5007,L581) is J-MF10470,Y182822 formed 17200 ybp, TMRCA 14400 ybp, Discover Time Tree, 7 FTDNA subbranches, 5 YFull IDs
    • J2a-Z6049,Z6046>Y12610,Y12603(xSK1313,Y12379) formed 15000 ybp, TMRCA 13600 ybp, 1 YFull ID
    • J2a2-PF5007,L581(xPF5058,Z37823) is J-Z39726 formed 15700 ybp, TMRCA 13600 ybp, 8 YFull IDs
    • J2a-Z6048,Z6050>S15572(xS23560) formed 12600 ybp, TMRCA 12600 ybp, 1 YFull ID
    • J2a-Z2222,PF5160(xL24,PF5197) is J-BY186179,Y166866 formed 15300 ybp, TMRCA 13000 ybp, 4 FTDNA subbranches, 5 YFull IDs
    • J2a-PF5125,PF5116(xZ2227,Z2229,PF5119) is J-Z43684, Z43668 formed 15600 ybp, TMRCA 12400 ybp, two FTDNA subbranches, 2 YFull IDs
    • J2a-Z6064-Z6064(xZ6061,Z6055) is J-PH4959,Z39762 formed 16000 ybp, TMRCA 12000 ybp, 12 FTDNA subbranches, 7 YFull IDs, one Hallast et al 2014

    • J2a-Z7430,FGC23952/Y8998(xZ7403,YSC0000253) formed 13700 ybp, low-res Stoneking, Lippold et al 2014 sample and possibly one J2-STR67 result
    • J2a-PF5172(xZ7314) formed 12800 ybp, three samples @YFull and one Hallast et al 2014, TMRCA 4000 ybp


    For J2b I rely on Flor/Trojet and Hunter for updates
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    Unfinished/Unreviewed Update oldest and rare/interesting J2a haplogroups (FTDNA,YFull defining SNPs - YFull estimates):

    • J2a2-PF5050,PF5008(xPF5007,L581) is J-MF10470,Y182822 formed 17200 ybp, TMRCA 14400 ybp, Discover Time Tree, 7 FTDNA subbranches, 5 YFull IDs
    • J2a-Z6049,Z6046>Y12610,Y12603(xSK1313,Y12379) formed 15000 ybp, TMRCA 13600 ybp, 1 YFull ID
    • J2a2-PF5007,L581(xPF5058,Z37823) is J-Z39726 formed 15700 ybp, TMRCA 13600 ybp, 8 YFull IDs
    • J2a-Z6048,Z6050>S15572(xS23560) formed 12600 ybp, TMRCA 12600 ybp, 1 YFull ID
    • J2a-Z2222,PF5160(xL24,PF5197) is J-BY186179,Y166866 formed 15300 ybp, TMRCA 13000 ybp, 4 FTDNA subbranches, 5 YFull IDs
    • J2a-PF5125,PF5116(xZ2227,Z2229,PF5119) is J-Z43684, Z43668 formed 15600 ybp, TMRCA 12400 ybp, two FTDNA subbranches, 2 YFull IDs
    • J2a-Z6064-Z6064(xZ6061,Z6055) is J-PH4959,Z39762 formed 16000 ybp, TMRCA 12000 ybp, 12 FTDNA subbranches, 7 YFull IDs, one Hallast et al 2014

    • J2a-Z7430,FGC23952/Y8998(xZ7403,YSC0000253) formed 13700 ybp, low-res Stoneking, Lippold et al 2014 sample and possibly one J2-STR67 result
    • J2a-PF5172(xZ7314) formed 12800 ybp, three samples @YFull and one Hallast et al 2014, TMRCA 4000 ybp


    For J2b I rely on Flor/Trojet and Hunter for updates
    Can you talk about j y15222
    With high coverage Guanche sample 011
    SUCCESS p=.985
    55 Guanche.SG_11
    32 Canaanite_MLBA
    13 COG_MatangaiTuru_IA

    SUCCESS p=.978
    50 Guanche.SG_11
    40 BedouinB.DG
    11 COG_MatangaiTuru_IA

    G25 results

    Target: Me
    Distance: 1.4691% / 0.01469064 | R5P
    52.8 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    21.2 Yemenite_Mahra
    17.8 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
    5.4 Yoruba
    2.8 Bulala





    R11109 MALE 1 CE 1749.5 400 CE ARCHAEOLOGY Isola_Sacra Y-DNA: J-Y15222 mtDNA: X2m'n

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    Can you talk about j y15222
    Wrong thread. J-Y15222 is only 2700 years old and I do not research J-Z482 since Keith Rothschild et al is doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    Wrong thread. J-Y15222 is only 2700 years old and I do not research J-Z482 since Keith Rothschild et al is doing that.
    Thanks, his a different haplogroup and subclade our haplogroups are not related
    With high coverage Guanche sample 011
    SUCCESS p=.985
    55 Guanche.SG_11
    32 Canaanite_MLBA
    13 COG_MatangaiTuru_IA

    SUCCESS p=.978
    50 Guanche.SG_11
    40 BedouinB.DG
    11 COG_MatangaiTuru_IA

    G25 results

    Target: Me
    Distance: 1.4691% / 0.01469064 | R5P
    52.8 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    21.2 Yemenite_Mahra
    17.8 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
    5.4 Yoruba
    2.8 Bulala





    R11109 MALE 1 CE 1749.5 400 CE ARCHAEOLOGY Isola_Sacra Y-DNA: J-Y15222 mtDNA: X2m'n

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