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    Exclamation R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack from FTDNA

    I received a notice from FTDNA they had this new pack forthe $99 introductory price. This came a little faster than I thought. I suspect strongly there are some last minute adds needed. I'll look at the ht35 project M269+ U106- P312- tree that Sergey kindly does and see if I can discern updates needed. Help!

    R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack
    Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:

    PF3252, CTS7822, CTS9219, CTS9230, CTS11767, CTS7959, CTS9906, L25, CTS9940, PF3928, F2610, CTS1039, CTS2791, CTS8563, CTS699, CTS7763, CTS1848, Z1862, CTS6937, M64, L584, Z2103, Z2106, Z2109, F2017, CTS3937, PF7580, L943, S3793, Z2108, Z2105, BY250, BY251, BY3293, BY3294, BY3295, BY3296, BY3297, BY3298, BY3299, BY593, BY611, CTS1450, CTS7556, FGC14590, FGC14592, Y5593, Y5592, Y5591, Y5590, Y5587, Y5586, Y4372, Y4370, Y4369, Y4368, Y4367, Y4366, Y4365, Y4364, Y4363, Y4362, Y16151, Y16150, Y16149, Y16147, Y16146, Y16145, Y16144, Y16143, Y16142, Y16140, Y15983, Y15982, Y14515, Y14514, Y14513, Y14512, Y14511, Y14422, Y14420, FGC14593, FGC14594, FGC14595, FGC14597, FGC14598, FGC14600, FGC14601, FGC14602, FGC14604, FGC14605, FGC14607, FGC14608, FGC14610, FGC14611, FGC14614, FGC14615, FGC14617, FGC14618, FGC14619, FGC14620, FGC14622, FGC14624, FGC14625, FGC14626, FGC14628, FGC14629, FGC29330, Y14416, Y14415, Y14414, Y14306, Y13370, Y13369, Y13095, Y11810, SK2097, S17864, PH963, PH5142, PH4996, PH4902, PH4505, PH3362, PH317, PH2789, PH2302, PH2147, PH1639, PF3449, L946, L945, L944, KMS75

    Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
    S7721, Z8131, Z29836, Z29834, Z29833, Z29831, Z29830, Z29829, Z29826, Z29824, Z29823, Z29382, Y16005, SK2094, SK2087, PH544, PF7574, M12135, M12133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    ... I suspect strongly there are some last minute adds needed. I'll look at the ht35 project M269+ U106- P312- tree that Sergey kindly does and see if I can discern updates needed. Help!....
    Good news. The ht35 project thinks FTDNA found most of the right SNPs.

    Here is the current request list for last minute adds:

    15080170-C-T
    18945942-C-T
    09386965-G-T
    Y18687 07512670-T-C
    17463380-T-G

    I've also been looking at the YFull tree for Z2103 but I admit it's a real eye test and not conducive to downloading unfortunately. Perhaps a Z2103 YFull expert sees SNPs needed.
    http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2103/

    Here is Sergey's tree from Nov 22nd as posted on the M269 ht35 project.
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

    My thanks to Sergey M as I suspect that his work facilitated this pack, which in turn will probably impact FTDNA's haplotree. I'm not sure what all happened in the background but Sergey's efforts must have had an impact.

    Anyway, last call for last minute adds! Please post any feedback here. I can get it to the FTDNA Y tree team.

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    There are some strange SNPs
    F2017 (N-L666 and R-CTS43)
    Z29382 (C-Y10490 and R-M225)
    They are not available in the FTDNA Z2103 tree and I do not know any positive Z2103 samples for these SNPs.

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    A question about the new R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack test. Under BY250 the SNP Pack lists Y15983 and Y16143 which are OK and listed in this project and the Y-Tree, but FTDNA next has BY3297 which is not list anywhere, Is this SNP Equivalent to Y17988? Also the Y-Tree has listed Y18455 under Y17988, is this project and FTDNA going to add this SNP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey View Post
    A question about the new R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack test. Under BY250 the SNP Pack lists Y15983 and Y16143 which are OK and listed in this project and the Y-Tree, but FTDNA next has BY3297 which is not list anywhere, Is this SNP Equivalent to Y17988? Also the Y-Tree has listed Y18455 under Y17988, is this project and FTDNA going to add this SNP?
    Jeffrey, Welcome to the Anthrogenica forum. I see your question was answered at the project. Thanks for ordering the R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack test. Let us know how it turns out. A draft copy of the SNPs included in the R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack highlighted using the Z2103 section of the R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) Phylogenetic Tree is posted here.
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...ew/about/goals
    I'll remove or change it once a verified version is made.
    Last edited by Joe B; 12-15-2015 at 11:30 PM.
    YFull R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Y14512>Y20971>Y22199, ISOGG R1b1a1a2a2c1b Y14416, FTDNA R-M64

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    Thank you to all who made this Z2103 SNP Pack possible. I noted that FT-DNA updated their Y R-tree before the email was sent out. My terminal SNP has now been switched to Z2109, although it should really be CTS7822 (next level down). I will be ordering this SNP Pack for my self and have suggested that others in the Bristol Channel project also order it (those who haven't already taken Big-Y) I know that Kit 64401 has already ordered the SNP Pack. Hopefully we'll get a few more orders.

    Thanks again for this early Christmas Present. -geo
    M173+, M269+, M343+, M207+, P25+, M269+, Z2103+, P107-, U106-, U152-, U198-, P312-, P66-, SRY2627-, M222-, M37-, M65-, M73-, M18-, M126-, M153-, M160-, Z2110/CTS7822+, CTS9219-

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    I am pretty happy that we've got another Robbins to do a big Y test. Man, what a Christmas present that is. I am interested in what the matches will bring in the New Year. As the Y-DNA STR match up pretty closely, the SNP I would imagine would differ slightly as well, but I am HOPING that the triangulation at some point could lead to common novel SNP that match that may lead to some sort of clue as to an origin. Not many people in the group are believing in an alternative location for the source of the DNA, but it is leading to the East more and more.

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    So far in the Bristol Channel Project we have three (3) Z2103 orders, Bennett, Locke, and Smith. I hope to get Coat and at least one other surname represented. Y'all have a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year!
    M173+, M269+, M343+, M207+, P25+, M269+, Z2103+, P107-, U106-, U152-, U198-, P312-, P66-, SRY2627-, M222-, M37-, M65-, M73-, M18-, M126-, M153-, M160-, Z2110/CTS7822+, CTS9219-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geolocke View Post
    So far in the Bristol Channel Project we have three (3) Z2103 orders, Bennett, Locke, and Smith. I hope to get Coat and at least one other surname represented. Y'all have a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year!
    Are we making any headway with people from Armenia, Turkey, Greece and Southern Italy? Those would be a great audience for the Z2103 pack.

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    AS an added side note, I tested my wife's nephew to get her father's side of the tree and signed him up with the Wood project. While looking through that project's results page, I noticed several kits that fit the STR profile for Z2103. I have asked the Wood Project manager if they would mind if I sent those members an invitation to join the Bristol Channel project. If so, then I would also ask them to join the ht35 project. Kit numbers are as follows:
    Group 06
    N84896
    39187
    150689
    224059
    N38442
    50154
    22264
    17997
    198002
    45996
    Group 46
    181639
    325795
    414617
    Ungrouped
    289660
    26278
    N60120
    132602
    M173+, M269+, M343+, M207+, P25+, M269+, Z2103+, P107-, U106-, U152-, U198-, P312-, P66-, SRY2627-, M222-, M37-, M65-, M73-, M18-, M126-, M153-, M160-, Z2110/CTS7822+, CTS9219-

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