Change in haplogroup with nat geo revised?

**jutland** · 12-13-2015, 02:59 PM

I tested with NG 2.0 then less than a year later with NG revised. I was r1b-z225 and now r1b-cts278 which is off of u152. How can this happen?
My maternal is still the same h1a3a.
Also, anyone know what origin is cts278?

**ArmandoR1b** · 12-13-2015, 04:12 PM

You probably have a recurrent SNP which means the same mutation happened in two different subclades. In order to determine that you will want to look at your raw DNA file. Do you know how to download the raw data file from National Geographic? There should be an expert option at https://genographic.nationalgeograph...ults/myprofile where you can agree to the CSV file download consent then download the file.

Once you download the file you will need to unzip it. Once unzipped open the ychromo.csv file then search for U152. If you have TT for U152 then you are negative for that SNP and NG 2.0 has you in the wrong subclade. If you have CC then you are positive for U152.

**jutland** · 12-13-2015, 04:48 PM

Thank you very much. I will try to do this.
I wonder why NG didnt do this? I have been waiting for a response for almost 1 month.
Thanks again.

**jutland** · 12-13-2015, 05:27 PM

I just tried to download the raw data and option is closed at this time.
I will try to call NG tomorrow.

**ArmandoR1b** · 12-13-2015, 06:23 PM

Did you ever transfer your data to FamilyTreeDNA? If so, you might already show a U152- result there. You have to go to your FTDNA account then go to https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-haplotree then scroll to the very bottom where it says Tests Taken. Below that there is a list of SNPs. Look for U152 in there.

**Petr** · 12-13-2015, 06:36 PM

According to my experience no negative results are displayed for transferred Geno 2.0 data:

**ArmandoR1b** · 12-13-2015, 07:58 PM

On April 29, 2014 there was an update that included negative results that pertain to the specific haplogroup the person belongs to. Around August 2014 they stopped showing the negative results unless the customer requested a refresh.

Regardless, if he does not have a positive U152 then he should be negative for it anyway.

**Petr** · 12-13-2015, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b

On April 29, 2014 there was an update that included negative results that pertain to the specific haplogroup the person belongs to. Around August 2014 they stopped showing the negative results unless the customer requested a refresh.

Now I see why I remember there were some negative results in the past, thank you.

Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b

Regardless, if he does not have a positive U152 then he should be negative for it anyway.

And what about "no call"?

**paulgill** · 12-14-2015, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b

Did you ever transfer your data to FamilyTreeDNA? If so, you might already show a U152- result there. You have to go to your FTDNA account then go to https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-haplotree then scroll to the very bottom where it says Tests Taken. Below that there is a list of SNPs. Look for U152 in there.

My Y and mt haplogroup at Geno 2.0 are better than at FTDNA after transfer, FTDNA has got everything upside down and refused to correct them after numerous requests. FTDNA????