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    URGENT Results came and Help!! NGE 2.0

    Okay I'm a noob and recently tested 23andme and my dad did a y-37 for FTDNA and I decided to do the NGE2.0 because of the SNPs I really desired to know what it would be. Sorry this is urgent and Nat geo and FTDNA i cant reach em I really want my father to know his deep lineage and this test took 10 weeks so I expected it to be good.. or idk... sorry just out of it now.

    In 23andme and FTDNA my dad was C2-M217 well C3-M217
    While for me I got the same as him for 23andme

    Well I gotten my results for NGE2 and it gave me J-CTS2906 for y DNA
    my mtdna is concurrent and is the same as 23andme N9a but NGE2.0 made it N9A4B while the autosomal was similar as well.
    My dads Y Str results: 214976 Huynh C-M217 14 23 15 10 11-11 11 13 11 13 11 29 15 8-8 11 11 25 14 20 28 12-12-13-14-16-16 11 10 23-23 15 16 19 17 34-37 12 10

    So is it possible for NGE2.0 to be inaccurate or its 23andme and FTDNA that got it wrong?

    My SNP results:
    uh I did the transfer to FTDNA and on the haplogroup tree page it showed SNP tests and its like a mess.
    A531+, A91+, BY1142+, BY1357+, BY136_FGC19909_Z18229+, BY1551+, BY1586+, BY1734+, BY20+, BY2243+, BY2350+, BY2391+, BY2462+, BY2469+, BY2510+, BY65_Z18181+, BY763+, CTS10031+, CTS10147+, CTS10188+, CTS10229+, CTS103+, CTS10300+, CTS10428+, CTS10433+, CTS10442+, CTS10448+, CTS10534+, CTS10552+, CTS10572+, CTS10615+, CTS10648+, CTS1066+, CTS10720+, CTS10723+, CTS10745+, CTS10761+, CTS10821+, CTS1083+, CTS10847+, CTS10923+, CTS11012+, CTS11041+, CTS11071+, CTS11088+, CTS11126+, CTS11148+, CTS11149+, CTS11190+, CTS11261+, CTS11354+, CTS114+, CTS1141+, CTS11436+, CTS11441+, CTS1148+, CTS11503+, CTS11522+, CTS11530+, CTS11544+, CTS1164+, CTS11651+, CTS1171+, CTS11710+, CTS11726+, CTS11731+, CTS11759+, CTS11816+, CTS11907+, CTS11949+, CTS11970+, CTS12023+, CTS12058+, CTS1216+, CTS12449+, CTS12450+, CTS12472+, CTS12578+, CTS12652+, CTS1276+, CTS12856+, CTS12879+, CTS12931+, CTS12933+, CTS12934+, CTS12948+, CTS12950+, CTS12976+, CTS1340+, CTS1353+, CTS1413+, CTS1436+, CTS1633+, CTS1710+, 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    Not an expert on either haplogroup but that doesn't look good. FTDNA are the lab for the Geno project so they have contradicted themselves, maybe its a kit muddle. It can happen. I would go back to Genographic customer support. You could maybe ask someone in the J haplogroup forum to scan that list - not sure if they are all J or not. But I would have expected it to list M217.
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    23andme only tests for a very limited number of SNPs but they do get the correct major haplogroup. Geno 2.0 tests for a lot more as you can see. The HUGE problem with Geno 2.0 is that they don't give you your negative results and the negative results don't show in the FTDNA page after the transfer and they are looking for the most downstream SNP which in many cases is actually a recurrent SNP which causes the wrong haplogroup to be assigned either at the Geno2 site or the FTDNA page after transfer.

    Is the J-CTS2906 from the Nat Geo site or from the FTDNA site after a transfer of the Geno2 results?

    Either way you need to find a way to get a hold of your negative SNPs by contacting Nat Geo and letting them know that you were assigned the wrong haplogroup. If you are negative for a the SNPs that are upstream from CTS2906 then you aren't possibly in haplogroup J.

    I posted about the problem with Nat Geo at http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ext-Gen-Y-SNPs
    Last edited by ArmandoR1b; 01-11-2016 at 08:56 PM.

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    I just remembered that I can look though a list of SNPs tested by Geno 2.0 NextGen that I have. J-M410 is in the list but you don't have that as a positive SNP. Therefore you are negative for it and it is not possible for you to belong to that branch of J2 which is upstream of J-CTS2906. M172 which is J2 is not in your list of positive SNPs either and therefore you are also negative for that and it is not possible for you to be J2.

    C-M217 is not tested by Geno 2.0 NextGen nor are the equivalents P44 and Z1453. However, you are positive for the SNP CTS1831 which shows up as an equivalent of C-M217 at http://www.yfull.com/tree/C-M217/

    So you are definitely C-M217 and likely in a known subclade identified by YFull. You can get with the C haplogroup admins to further check your SNPs. https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

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    A member of my project just transferred his Geno 2.0 Next Gen results. They are a mess, too. FTDNA classifies him as R-Z346, but I'm not so sure. I have highlighted some of the contradictory results, including CTS2906+ .
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    Ahh okay thanks and I just used an ISOGG tree to match all the SNP in that wall I copy/pasted and I found myself in the F845 Subclade I don't know if thats true, how do I contact the C Haplogroup Admins and thank you very much.

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    Called nat geo and they said they will look into the error and try to give the negative SNPs as well... so much for customer service, guy was annoyed when I asked for information and what not gonna try FTDNA now since my father tested there as well so mines should be similar to his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsayo123 View Post
    Ahh okay thanks and I just used an ISOGG tree to match all the SNP in that wall I copy/pasted and I found myself in the F845 Subclade I don't know if thats true, how do I contact the C Haplogroup Admins and thank you very much.
    I had given you the wrong link for the admins. Sorry about that. Their names and emails are at https://www.familytreedna.com/public...p/default.aspx

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    Thank you very much and I called FTDNA just now, they told me they didn't receive any negatives from geno 2.0 and their haplogroup prediction would just be based off of that wall of SNPs i copied down. But the lady assured me I'm in haplogroup C because of my father and me being C M217, but both him and I really wanted to know what our subclade is and this Nat geo turned to be a blunder......

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    A member of my project just transferred his Geno 2.0 Next Gen results. They are a mess, too. FTDNA classifies him as R-Z346, but I'm not so sure. I have highlighted some of the contradictory results, including CTS2906+ .
    I don't see anything highlighted.

    I am told that on the FTDNA default page https://www.familytreedna.com/my/default.aspx under "Genographic Transfer" there is a link "Download Y-DNA SNPs as CSV" and the following link was provided https://www.familytreedna.com/my/gen...download-ydna/ and it has all SNPs tested whether positive or negative.

    That might only be available to the customer and not admins. If you can't do it then see if the customer can and that way you can check the alleles and see if any of the defining ones show ancestral instead of derived.
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