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    Question italian j1, questions about my haplogroup

    Hello,

    I am an Italian from central Italy, on the Adriatic coast. The region is the Marche. According to the genographic project, my haplogroup is J-z1884 which is a branch of j-m267. On central Italy, on the Apennines mountains we have J1, G2a and T from neolithic middle-eastern farmers. It was a good area for sheepherders. On the internet it looks like my haplogroup is five or six thousands years old but I can't find information about the location. Is my haplogroup consistent with a neolithic immigration from the fertile crescent? Is anyone familiar with this haplogroup? It should come after haplogroup p58 and in some websites they say that after p58 is a semitic branch. On other sites say that it comes before the semitic branch. In continental italy we didn't have muslim medieval invasion, just in sicily. Besides, central Italy belonged to the pope from the 9th to the end of the 19th century.

    I'm not an expert in genetics. So, is it consistent with a neolithic immigration or could it come later from Phoenician sailors or others? This is not about ethnic groups, I don't belong to any monotheistic religion, I'm just trying to understand who my ancestor could have been, whoever they were.

    Thanks

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    According to YFull, J-Z1884 began to expand about 4400 years ago. Was your test the very latest Geno 2.0 Next Generation, or was it the earlier Geno 2.0 ?

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    Hello, thanks for the reply. It's the last generation, I've just had the results but I'm not en expert. It took me three days to understand that j-z1884 is j-m264. Perhaps 4400 years ago is a bit late for a neolithic immigration to Italy. Perhaps a roman slave or a phoenician.

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    Z1884, better known as L858 (or YSC80) is the most successful branch of YSC234. L829, YSC76, Z640 and FGC11 are all branches of L858, you could argue that roughly 75% of all J1-YSC234 fits in a branch of L858. Its TMRCA is roughly ~5,000 years old (5285 yBP on Victar's tree).
    An arrival during the Neolithic with Near Eastern farmers is out of the picture of course, all I can say for now is that your paternal ancestors probably spoke a (West) Semitic language since YSC234 is the closest thing we have to a "Semitic" marker. In order to know more, you should test further to find which L858 branch you carry (it's also possible that you belong to a basal and previously unbeknownst branch of L858, I've seen this happen more than once with Italians in other YSC234 branches).
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    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    Thanks, I start getting the picture. Probably late arrival due to the roman empire or some merchant-sailors from the middle east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrizio22 View Post
    Thanks, I start getting the picture. Probably late arrival due to the roman empire or some merchant-sailors from the middle east.
    Not necessarily a late arrival, though it is a distinct possibility you could just as well belong to an unbeknownst basal branch of L858. More testing is needed.
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    Thanks. Ok, so until I decide to do further testing we could probably say that this haplogroup was born in or around Mesopotamia about 5000 years ago and the carrier already spoke some semitic language and the rest of the route to Europe is just guesswork. Do you agree? Thanks again

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    Get FTDNA STR DYS markers, 12, 25, 37, 67, 111. Get detailed SNPs (FTDNA Big Y, Full Genomes Corporation). Just observe the geography of the SNPs and STR matches. You can try to find when your haplotype/cluster arrived in your place/region/country from where and try to estimate the age and number of your lineage nodes and the possible itineraries and possible ethno-historical vectors, religions and polities your ancestors-SNPs lived. Welcome to the game !
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    [QUOTE=RCO;133790]Get FTDNA STR DYS markers, 12, 25, 37, 67, 111. Get detailed SNPs (FTDNA Big Y, Full Genomes Corporation). Just observe the geography of the SNPs and STR matches. You can try to find when your haplotype/cluster arrived in your place/region/country from where and try to estimate the age and number of your lineage nodes and the possible itineraries and possible ethno-historical vectors, religions and polities your ancestors-SNPs lived. Welcome to the game ![/Qhe neeUOTE]

    What does he need STRs for? All he needs is FGC WGS 10x test and it should take care of all his needs.

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    Several databases have been available only with STRs. Sorenson, YHRD, FTDNA, old scientific articles. If we can find a rare modal like in my case, STRs are extremely useful as the only evidence because in some important regions absolutely no detailed specific J1 SNPs have been tested and we can only have STR matches.
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