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    Question Subclade J-L70 Question

    We have a Y-DNA subgroup in our Locke Surname Project at FT-DNA that has 10 members, one of which has confirmed his Subclade as J-L70

    Of interest to me is the fact that at Y12, there are only 11 matches against the entire FT-DNA database, all but one of these matches in of the same surname and claim descent from a common ancestor. Some of the group's members were tested back in 2005.

    The match level goes down as testing levels go up to Y67.

    The Y12 STR Modal for this group is as follows:
    DYS393 = 12
    DYS390 = 24
    DYS19 = 15
    DYS391 = 9
    DYS385 = 11-16
    DYS426 = 11
    DYS388 = 16
    DYS439 = 11
    DYS389i = 13
    DYS392 = 11
    DYS389ii = 29

    Question: It appears that this group is either very rare (unlikely?) or perhaps that there is a late mutation in the STR Modal or SNP that accounts for so few matches at Y12. I am more used to dealing with R1b lineages, so this is new to me. Does anyone have any experience with low match numbers in hg J lineages? Is J-L70 rare?

    Thanks for any help.-geo
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    Is it J1 or J2?

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    I looked at the Haplogroup J-L24 project results (https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ame=ycolorized), which includes the L70, subclade; of those markers the DYS390=24 is less common, the DYS385=11-16 is very rare (I don't think I saw any), and the DYS426=11 is less common. I guess that DYS385 is what really sets that group apart, with the DYS390 and DYS426 adding an additional degree of scarcity. It would be interesting if they did further SNP testing. J-L70 is fairly old with a large number of subclades; it could be they are in a rare subclade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntergatherer1066 View Post
    I looked at the Haplogroup J-L24 project results (https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ame=ycolorized), which includes the L70, subclade; of those markers the DYS390=24 is less common, the DYS385=11-16 is very rare (I don't think I saw any), and the DYS426=11 is less common. I guess that DYS385 is what really sets that group apart, with the DYS390 and DYS426 adding an additional degree of scarcity. It would be interesting if they did further SNP testing. J-L70 is fairly old with a large number of subclades; it could be they are in a rare subclade.
    Thanks for the advice. I will look at what SNP Packs are available and suggest to members of that group to upgrade their kits, as well as see if any of them would upgrade to Y-111. The last match was in March of 2014, which was the last time when another Locke tester was added to that group. It is such a quiet group (notification wise) that we sometimes overlook it. Do you think that it would be advisable for them to join the J-L24 project at this time, or wait until more of them have SNP tested?

    Thanks for taking a look. -geo
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulgill View Post
    Is it J1 or J2?
    If I read things correctly, It appears to be J2a -geo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geolocke View Post
    Thanks for the advice. I will look at what SNP Packs are available and suggest to members of that group to upgrade their kits, as well as see if any of them would upgrade to Y-111. The last match was in March of 2014, which was the last time when another Locke tester was added to that group. It is such a quiet group (notification wise) that we sometimes overlook it. Do you think that it would be advisable for them to join the J-L24 project at this time, or wait until more of them have SNP tested?

    Thanks for taking a look. -geo
    I think the one confirmed L70 should at least join the project, maybe the others as well. They would probably be interested to see a new cluster emerging and there may already be an L70 subgroup that mostly aligns with your group. It looks like L70 is pretty widely dispersed geographically with some subgroups more common in certain areas/ethnic groups, I don't know if maybe that offers any clues as to where they fit. Do your members all appear closely related to one another or more distant?

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    Some of our group 4 members trace either trace their lineage to the same ancestor, or are researching that link. The purported common ancestor is one Captain John Locke (1627-1696) Born in England and died in Rye, New Hampshire, USA.

    DYS464 is also kind of hinkey with 4, 5, or 6 allele values of either 13, 15, or 16.
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    J-L70

    I am off a branch of J-L70, which is the designation my father and son still have on FTDNA. Since taking The Big Y and Full Y Genome tests my own designation is more specific and splits into our my own unique designation (J-L1021). My paternal line paper trail is very short, only back to great-grandfather Hamdollah Zanjani who was born in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan which is very near the North East border of Iran where my family later settled.

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    Comment deleted, irrelevant to the Locke family's signature within L70.
    Last edited by razyn; 09-04-2017 at 05:41 PM.

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    Hi all, recently I have tested a friend of mine ( E. Gentili ) with yseq and I have found he's J2 L70+ Z2177+
    and these are his STRs :
    12-22-16-9-12-16-11-16-11-12-11-28-14-8-9-11-11-26-14-21-30-11-13-15.1-16-10-11-19-22-16-14-17-19-36-39- 13-9

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