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Thread: C2b1a1b-F3985, is it "Old European" just like C1a2-V20 ???

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    SNP is processed under 11100 for C-P39.

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    Terminal SNPs: F3815 • F4039 • FGC16228/Y4501 • Y11100/FGC16525

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    Quote Originally Posted by apachewolf View Post
    Terminal SNPs: F3815 • F4039 • FGC16228/Y4501 • Y11100/FGC16525
    Which is Y11100* I guess. Any way to find out what the polypmorphic positions below Y11100 equivalent are? The most likely candidate to share downstream SNPs would be the B77 sample from Karmin et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    Which is Y11100* I guess. Any way to find out what the polypmorphic positions below Y11100 equivalent are? The most likely candidate to share downstream SNPs would be the B77 sample from Karmin et al.
    Yes it is under Y11100* that I can see. I'm new at this, not sure if still processing because I don't show any Age estimation yet on my report. STR's are still processing. On Hg and SNP's positive section at very top just above P39 it shows S8587 level C-Y11100* private.

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    New YFull 4.4 available showing subclade C-P39. How do I read Age Estimation for the subclade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apachewolf View Post
    New YFull 4.4 available showing subclade C-P39. How do I read Age Estimation for the subclade?
    Take a look at its immediate parent, C-F3918. C-F3918 divided into two subclades, Native American C-P39 and Eurasian C-F1756, roughly 13,200 years ago.

    In order to get a TMRCA of C-P39 itself, YFull would require a second C-P39 example.

    In contrast, Q-M930 divided into Native American Q-M3 and European Q-L804 roughly 15,000 years ago. (I don't know whether Q-L804 has ever been found in Asia.)
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    Here's a fun question. In my BigY results I show a matching group of 9 people in my C-P39 haplogroup, and I have one non-matching known SNP across the broad with them all and that is CTS9623 in a derived state. What does this mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apachewolf View Post
    In my BigY results I show a matching group of 9 people in my C-P39 haplogroup, and I have one non-matching known SNP across the broad with them all and that is CTS9623 in a derived state. What does this mean?
    According to YFull's search utility, CTS9623 recurs very, very often on the haplotree, so I wouldn't give it much weight.

    Are you saying that 8 or 9 C-P39 men have taken the Big Y test, but have not submitted their BAM files to YFull for professional analysis? You could email them, asking them to do so. They would flesh out the tree considerably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    According to YFull's search utility, CTS9623 recurs very, very often on the haplotree, so I wouldn't give it much weight.

    Are you saying that 8 or 9 C-P39 men have taken the Big Y test, but have not submitted their BAM files to YFull for professional analysis? You could email them, asking them to do so. They would flesh out the tree considerably.
    Yes, I was just wondering what it might mean that my Big Y result is positive for CTS9623 and is not shared with the other 9 Big Y matches in the subclade group project. Is it something that comes into play when determining TMRCA was my curiosity.

    Stats show there are 12 of us with Big Y test results in our project and it looks like I match 9 of them to some degre. With more participants joining the project, project managers have decided to take a deep dive into family genealogy by getting all 41 participants (mostly related in family groups) upgraded to DNA-111 as a baseline, most of which has been done already. They plan to write a revised and updated report sometime in 2016 on C-P39, analysis will include 111 marker result comparisons, new geo-locations, tribal / family relationships, C P39 SNP findings and new SNPs and Big Y results. Here is the link to blog post on current project details https://dna-explained.com/2016/02/04...c-p39-planned/

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    Quote Originally Posted by apachewolf View Post
    Is it something that comes into play when determining TMRCA was my curiosity.
    Highly recurrent SNPs are usually ignored for TMRCA purposes, although that's a simplification. (Theoretically, one should weight each SNP inversely to its recurrence rate.)

    I suggest you persuade at least one of your Big Y matches to submit his BAM file to YFull. YFull will then be able to estimate a TMRCA for the two of you.

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