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    Lightbulb Ashina Paleo-DNA and documented-archive descendants of Ashina in China

    Hello!

    In China has conducted research on paleo-DNA testing and the of Ashina clan (documented-archive descendants of Ashina in China), but the results are not yet open.

    As you know, there are many descendants of Ashina tribe in Xinjiang, China. And some Ashina clan took Chinese family name “Shi 史” to assimilate into Han people. We have already sampled these people.

    about Ashina
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina

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    By "paleo-DNA" do you mean DNA taken from old bones. If so how old are they and where are they from? Do claimed Ashina descendants in China today have a closer relationship to Siberians or Central Asians(Turkemntan, Kazakhstan, etc) than Han Chinese do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulat View Post
    Hello!

    In China has conducted research on paleo-DNA testing and the of Ashina clan (documented-archive descendants of Ashina in China), but the results are not yet open.

    As you know, there are many descendants of Ashina tribe in Xinjiang, China. And some Ashina clan took Chinese family name “Shi 史” to assimilate into Han people. We have already sampled these people.

    about Ashina
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina

    Best regards.
    Hello,
    When can we expect results? Is Y DNA tested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krefter View Post
    By "paleo-DNA" do you mean DNA taken from old bones. If so how old are they and where are they from? Do claimed Ashina descendants in China today have a closer relationship to Siberians or Central Asians(Turkemntan, Kazakhstan, etc) than Han Chinese do.
    Sorry, my english language is very bad.

    Yes, Paleo-DNA = Ancient DNA.

    In China, there are the graves of the princes Ashina kingdom: Ashina Mishe, Ashina Sunishi, Ashina Buchdzhen and etc.

    And in China are documented-archive descendants of Ashina.

    The descendants of the clan Ashina in China are the names Xiang, Shi, and Chjun.

    1) Family 献 (Xian, Xiang). Distributed in Guangdong, the descendants of Ashina Misha.


    2) Family Shi



    The old spelling spread throughout China.


    3) Family Chjun

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    Old writing, common in Shaanxi Province - descendants of prince - Ashina Sunishi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Táltos View Post
    Hello,
    Is Y DNA tested?
    Yes, Y-DNA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulat View Post
    Hello!

    In China has conducted research on paleo-DNA testing and the of Ashina clan (documented-archive descendants of Ashina in China), but the results are not yet open.

    As you know, there are many descendants of Ashina tribe in Xinjiang, China. And some Ashina clan took Chinese family name “Shi 史” to assimilate into Han people. We have already sampled these people.

    about Ashina
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina

    Best regards.
    Excellent !
    Can you give specifics as to which sites, dates , cultures ?
    Do you mean GokTurk tombs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    Excellent !
    Can you give specifics as to which sites, dates , cultures ?
    Do you mean GokTurk tombs ?
    In China are the tombs of Ashina Mishe, Ashina Sunishi, Ashina Buchdzhen and their descendants.

    The links in Russian and Chinese languages:

    Ashina Mishe: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%98...BC%A5%E5%B0%84

    Ashina Buchdzhen: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%98...91%9F%E7%BD%97
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    Excellent !
    Can you give specifics as to which sites, dates , cultures ?
    I could not find information on the Internet in English about Ashina Mishe, Ashin Ashina Sunishi and Ashina Buchzhen. But this information is in the books, in libraries.

    But in English and German languages, look at the books:

    1. Ligeti L. Mots de civilisation de Hoyte Asie en transcription Chinoise// Acta Orientalia Academiae Scientiarum Hungaricae. — 1950. — T. 1, fasc. 1. - P. 141-178.

    2. Ligeti L. Le tabghaych, un dialecte de la langue Sien—bi // Mongolia Studies. - Budapest, 1970. - P. 265-308.

    3. L i u M a u-t s a i. /Besprechung/ // Central Asiatic J. - 1958a. - Vol. 4, N 1. - P. 73-81. - Bespr. von: Takeo Abe. Nishi-Uiguru Kokushi no Kenkyü (Studien Über die Geschichte des West—Unighure—Reichen ).Kyoto, 1955.

    4. Liu M a u—t s a i. Die Chinesischen Nachrichten zur Geschichte der Ost— Türken (T'u-kue). - Wiesbaden, 1958b. - (Göttingen Asiatische Forschungen; Bd 10).

    5. L i u M a u—t s a i. Kutscha und seinen Bezihungen zu China vom 2. Jh.v. bis zum 6. n. Chr. — Wiesbaden, 1969. — (Asiatische Forschungen; Bd 27).

    6. Mackerras C. The Uighur Empire (744—840). According to the T'ang Dynastic Histories. — Canberra, 1968. — (Centre of Oriental Studies. The Australian National University Occasional Paper; N 8).

    7. Mackerras C. Sino—Uighur Diplomatic and Trade Contacts (744—840)/; Central Asiatic J. - 1969. - Vol. 13, N 1. - P. 215-240.

    8. Mackerras C. The Uighur Empire. According to T'ang Dynastic Histories. A. Study in Sino—Uighur Relations 744—840. — Canberra, 1972. - (Asian Publications Series, N 2). M
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    The Chinese Wikipedia sites say these two individuals were from the Western Tujue, equated by the Chinese characters to Göktürks here ---
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göktürks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulat View Post
    Hello!

    In China has conducted research on paleo-DNA testing and the of Ashina clan (documented-archive descendants of Ashina in China), but the results are not yet open.

    As you know, there are many descendants of Ashina tribe in Xinjiang, China. And some Ashina clan took Chinese family name “Shi 史” to assimilate into Han people. We have already sampled these people.

    about Ashina
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina

    Best regards.
    Hi there, thanks for the information. Do you know which university, and which academicians are conducting this research? What is the title of their study, which department?

    And as you probably know previously there was an ancient dna study of Saltovo Majaki Khazar Turks. Link

    Do you know of other recent ancient dna studies/researches regarding the Scythians, Huns, Gok Turks, Khazars, Proto Bulgarians, Uzes?

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