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    R1a and Q1a? So those could be the true Turkic markers? The Turks were descended from ANE tribes?
    The Turks were a diverse confederation of steppe nomads. The presence of both R1a and Q1a within its ruling clans already shows this, as R1a and Q1a have different geographic distributions.

    Nonetheless the study is useful for helping with certain historical problems such as whether the Ashina clan was, in fact, a Saka clan. Of course the haplogroup alone can't answer this question. But it could serve as supporting evidence though we'd need to know more about the Saka and their neighbors' haplogroups.

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    Looking back at this, thanks for your work on this topic. Any new developments since last post? Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulat View Post
    THE HAPLOGROUPS OF THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM ANCIENT TURKIC CLANS — ASHINA AND ASHIDE
    S.-Q. Wen, B.A. Muratov, R.R. Suyunov


    In 2015-2016 yy. in Fudan University (Shanghai), headed by ethnogenomist Shao-Qing Wen (文少卿)[1] in China were tested to determine the Y-DNA haplogroup the representatives from aristocratic Turkic clans Ashina[2] (creators and managers Turkic Khanate in the VI-VII centuries) and Ashide[3].

    Subclade of clan Ashina: R1a-Z93, Z94+, Z2123-, Y2632-. Recommended to request SNPs — Z2124, Z2122.

    Subclade of clan Ashide: Q1a-L53.



    See here:
    https://www.academia.edu/23316012/We...2016_P.154-157
    Any further SNP tests on the Ashina? L657, Z2124?
    From the STRs it looks to me that the Amudzha - R1a-Z93: 13 25 15 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 34 12 15 16 16 11 12 19 23 15 15 18 19 35 39 14 11 - may be L657+.
    Are the Amudzha Ashina? Kayi? Ottoman?

    What is the etymology of Kayi? Kavi? Eg. Kavi Vishtasp, Kai Khusrow?

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    Yes, had been wondering if relatively new R-F1019* on YFull (ERS1066775) was maybe connected... Just a notion I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Any further SNP tests on the Ashina? L657, Z2124?
    From the STRs it looks to me that the Amudzha - R1a-Z93: 13 25 15 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 34 12 15 16 16 11 12 19 23 15 15 18 19 35 39 14 11 - may be L657+.
    Are the Amudzha Ashina? Kayi? Ottoman?

    What is the etymology of Kayi? Kavi? Eg. Kavi Vishtasp, Kai Khusrow?
    Amudzha comes from the word amca, which means paternal uncle, so they are from the Kayi bloodline.
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