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    How much Slavic DNA exists in Greece?

    I have asked similar questions but never so straightforward.

    We have established in other threads that modern Greeks indeed have Slavic admixture. But how much? To know, we need to establish a baseline for which population is closest to pre-Slavic Greeks.

    If southern Italians are the baseline for pre-Slavic Greeks, then Greeks appear to be 25% Slavic, coming up as 75% South Italian, 25% Russian or Ukrainian. But is this accurate?

    Here are two GEDmatch results using the Eurogenes K15 calculator. I have highlighted the Oracle results. Both come from the Peloponnese, which presumably has less Slavic admixture than the north of the country and border regions.

    "East Euro" + "Baltic" come out around 20%, compared to much lower among southern Italians.



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 22.46
    2 Atlantic 18.5
    3 West_Med 16.66
    4 West_Asian 15.92
    5 Baltic 12.61
    6 Eastern_Euro 7.67

    7 North_Sea 3.65
    8 Red_Sea 1.82
    9 Oceanian 0.46
    10 Northeast_African 0.23

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek 6.02
    2 Central_Greek 10.57
    3 Italian_Abruzzo 10.83
    4 Bulgarian 11.23
    5 Greek_Thessaly 11.65
    6 West_Sicilian 11.72
    7 East_Sicilian 11.77
    8 South_Italian 12.49
    9 Ashkenazi 12.82
    10 Tuscan 13.15
    11 Romanian 14.35
    12 Sephardic_Jewish 16.76
    13 North_Italian 17.23
    14 Italian_Jewish 17.3
    15 Algerian_Jewish 17.62
    16 Serbian 18.12
    17 Tunisian_Jewish 20.51
    18 Turkish 21.04
    19 Cyprian 21.51
    20 Moldavian 22.46

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.6% Greek + 6.4% North_Ossetian @ 5.51
    2 93.4% Greek + 6.6% Adygei @ 5.54
    3 93.3% Greek + 6.7% Kabardin @ 5.55
    4 93.4% Greek + 6.6% Balkar @ 5.55
    5 94.6% Greek + 5.4% Abhkasian @ 5.56
    6 94.5% Greek + 5.5% Georgian @ 5.62
    7 94.5% Greek + 5.5% Ossetian @ 5.64
    8 94.4% Greek + 5.6% Chechen @ 5.66
    9 94.3% Greek + 5.7% Kumyk @ 5.76
    10 95.3% Greek + 4.7% Lezgin @ 5.8
    11 93.5% Greek + 6.5% Turkish @ 5.86
    12 95.6% Greek + 4.4% Nogay @ 5.86
    13 95.4% Greek + 4.6% Kurdish @ 5.87
    14 95.3% Greek + 4.7% Azeri @ 5.9
    15 96.9% Greek + 3.1% Tabassaran @ 5.92
    16 96.5% Greek + 3.5% Iranian @ 5.93
    17 96.6% Greek + 3.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.94
    18 96.7% Greek + 3.3% Armenian @ 5.95
    19 97.7% Greek + 2.3% Balochi @ 5.95
    20 97.8% Greek + 2.2% Brahui @ 5.95


    and then the second one..


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 26.23
    2 West_Med 14.68
    3 North_Sea 13.16
    4 West_Asian 12.93
    5 Baltic 11.03
    6 Atlantic 10.39
    7 Eastern_Euro 8.04
    8 Red_Sea 2.75
    9 Amerindian 0.42
    10 South_Asian 0.3
    11 Southeast_Asian 0.05
    12 Siberian 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek_Thessaly 5.3
    2 Greek 6.7
    3 Central_Greek 7.54
    4 Ashkenazi 7.62
    5 East_Sicilian 8.99
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 9.31
    7 South_Italian 10.79
    8 Bulgarian 10.85
    9 West_Sicilian 11.09
    10 Tuscan 12.55
    11 Romanian 12.67
    12 Italian_Jewish 14.14
    13 Sephardic_Jewish 15.31
    14 Algerian_Jewish 15.61
    15 Serbian 15.79
    16 North_Italian 17.5
    17 Tunisian_Jewish 18.73
    18 Libyan_Jewish 18.89
    19 Cyprian 19.34
    20 Turkish 20.44

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 54.3% Cyprian + 45.7% Hungarian @ 3.47
    2 87.9% Greek_Thessaly + 12.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.88
    3 55.3% Serbian + 44.7% Cyprian @ 4.02
    4 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.19
    5 89.4% Greek_Thessaly + 10.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.2
    6 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Assyrian @ 4.23
    7 51.6% Cyprian + 48.4% Moldavian @ 4.28
    8 89.4% Greek_Thessaly + 10.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.31
    9 61.3% Romanian + 38.7% Cyprian @ 4.34
    10 60.5% Cyprian + 39.5% Ukrainian @ 4.35
    11 87.7% Greek_Thessaly + 12.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.37
    12 90% Greek_Thessaly + 10% Kurdish @ 4.39
    13 90% Greek_Thessaly + 10% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.39
    14 58.7% Cyprian + 41.3% East_German @ 4.4
    15 68.9% Romanian + 31.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.42
    16 84.9% Central_Greek + 15.1% Erzya @ 4.43
    17 72.6% Bulgarian + 27.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.43
    18 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Cyprian @ 4.47
    19 68.8% Romanian + 31.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.47
    20 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Azeri @ 4.48




    And now a southern Italian from Calabria:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 32.89
    2 West_Asian 16.92
    3 West_Med 14.43
    4 Atlantic 13.3
    5 North_Sea 9.2
    6 Baltic 6.18
    7 Red_Sea 4.85
    8 Eastern_Euro 1.49
    9 Northeast_African 0.72

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 4.84
    2 Central_Greek 6.15
    3 East_Sicilian 6.47
    4 Italian_Jewish 7.4
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 7.56
    6 Ashkenazi 8.18
    7 Italian_Abruzzo 8.22
    8 Algerian_Jewish 9.26
    9 West_Sicilian 9.45
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.75
    11 Cyprian 11.35
    12 Greek 11.61
    13 Greek_Thessaly 12.59
    14 Libyan_Jewish 13.12
    15 Lebanese_Muslim 14.18
    16 Tuscan 14.73
    17 Syrian 15.92
    18 Turkish 16.12
    19 Samaritan 18.1
    20 Lebanese_Christian 18.89

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 71.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 28.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.76
    2 78% Central_Greek + 22% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.98
    3 79.1% Cyprian + 20.9% Irish @ 3.09
    4 78.4% Cyprian + 21.6% Southeast_English @ 3.15
    5 79.4% Cyprian + 20.6% West_Scottish @ 3.24
    6 84.1% South_Italian + 15.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.25
    7 78.3% Cyprian + 21.7% Southwest_English @ 3.28
    8 77.9% Cyprian + 22.1% North_German @ 3.29
    9 71.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 28.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.36
    10 79.1% Cyprian + 20.9% North_Dutch @ 3.38
    11 76.1% Cyprian + 23.9% South_Dutch @ 3.41
    12 59.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.8% Cyprian @ 3.44
    13 79.7% Cyprian + 20.3% Orcadian @ 3.45
    14 79% Cyprian + 21% Danish @ 3.46
    15 85.8% South_Italian + 14.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.48
    16 85% South_Italian + 15% Assyrian @ 3.49
    17 86.2% South_Italian + 13.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.55
    18 81% South_Italian + 19% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.62
    19 76% Cyprian + 24% West_German @ 3.71
    20 87.1% South_Italian + 12.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.72

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    Can you use the Ionian islands especially Zakynthos in your datas please because no mention of Slavic settlements there to my knownledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyss View Post
    Can you use the Ionian islands especially Zakynthos in your datas please because no mention of Slavic settlements there to my knownledge.

    Here is a result from Lefkada. It might help determine how much of that 20% East European on the mainland is native versus foreign. Ionian islanders are somewhat less Near Eastern than are southern Italians and Aegean islanders, so they might be a better proxy for pre-Slavic Greece.

    This result approaches 16% Baltic + East Euro.. not much different. So it makes me wonder if Greeks share ancestry with Slavs and other East Europeans even if not directly Slavic.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 26.74
    2 West_Med 16
    3 Atlantic 15.62
    4 West_Asian 10.53
    5 Baltic 10
    6 Red_Sea 7.01
    7 North_Sea 6.88
    8 Eastern_Euro 6.22
    9 South_Asian 0.98

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek 5.86
    2 Ashkenazi 6.66
    3 East_Sicilian 6.89
    4 West_Sicilian 6.9
    5 Central_Greek 6.96
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 7.79
    7 South_Italian 8.45
    8 Greek_Thessaly 8.81
    9 Tuscan 10.71
    10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.85
    11 Italian_Jewish 11.05
    12 Algerian_Jewish 11.54
    13 Bulgarian 13.01
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.81
    15 Romanian 15.5
    16 North_Italian 16.33
    17 Libyan_Jewish 17.24
    18 Cyprian 17.62
    19 Serbian 18.53
    20 Lebanese_Muslim 20.7

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87.2% Greek + 12.8% Saudi @ 2.61
    2 87.7% Greek + 12.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.74
    3 77.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 22.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.25
    4 76.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 23.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.36
    5 77.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 22.3% Belorussian @ 3.43
    6 71% Sephardic_Jewish + 29% Croatian @ 3.45
    7 83.8% Greek + 16.2% Bedouin @ 3.47
    8 79.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 20.7% Lithuanian @ 3.48
    9 54.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 45.1% Bulgarian @ 3.48
    10 68.6% Greek + 31.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.52
    11 75.5% Algerian_Jewish + 24.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.63
    12 75.8% Greek + 24.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.65
    13 76.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 23.1% Polish @ 3.65
    14 53.3% Algerian_Jewish + 46.7% Bulgarian @ 3.66
    15 83.9% Greek + 16.1% Palestinian @ 3.67
    16 77.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 22.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.7
    17 76.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 23.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.7
    18 75.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 24.3% South_Polish @ 3.73
    19 76% Sephardic_Jewish + 24% Ukrainian @ 3.79
    20 76.7% Algerian_Jewish + 23.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.8

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    Now here is where it gets interesting.. here is a sample result from Catania, Sicily -- a region said to have a lot of Greek influence. But where is their Baltic and East European? There is 4% only. This is much less than the "non-Slavic" influenced Ionian islanders who score much more. What might this mean?

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 31.9
    2 West_Med 16.62
    3 West_Asian 15.64
    4 Atlantic 15.23
    5 North_Sea 8.49
    6 Red_Sea 4.36
    7 Baltic 4.28
    8 Northeast_African 2.29
    9 Oceanian 0.99
    10 Southeast_Asian 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 3.91
    2 Italian_Jewish 6.03
    3 East_Sicilian 6.1
    4 Central_Greek 6.71
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 6.85
    6 West_Sicilian 7.58
    7 Italian_Abruzzo 7.76
    8 Algerian_Jewish 7.84
    9 Ashkenazi 9.15
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.07
    11 Greek 11.93
    12 Cyprian 12.7
    13 Libyan_Jewish 12.78
    14 Greek_Thessaly 13.26
    15 Tuscan 13.3
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.97
    17 Syrian 17.47
    18 Turkish 18.05
    19 Samaritan 19.31
    20 North_Italian 19.7

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 83% South_Italian + 17% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.39
    2 92.7% South_Italian + 7.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.54
    3 74.9% South_Italian + 25.1% Italian_Jewish @ 3.55
    4 80.1% South_Italian + 19.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.63
    5 93.3% South_Italian + 6.7% Jordanian @ 3.64
    6 93.6% South_Italian + 6.4% Palestinian @ 3.65
    7 91.9% South_Italian + 8.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.66
    8 98.5% South_Italian + 1.5% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 3.67
    9 90.1% South_Italian + 9.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.67
    10 97.8% South_Italian + 2.2% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.68
    11 98.3% South_Italian + 1.7% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.68
    12 98.2% South_Italian + 1.8% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 3.69
    13 97.9% South_Italian + 2.1% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.69
    14 94.4% South_Italian + 5.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.72
    15 95.5% South_Italian + 4.5% Egyptian @ 3.73
    16 95.1% South_Italian + 4.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.73
    17 95.2% South_Italian + 4.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.73
    18 98.5% South_Italian + 1.5% Somali @ 3.75
    19 96.9% South_Italian + 3.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.75
    20 86.5% South_Italian + 13.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.76

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    Lefkada is still close to mainland geographically. There always was population mouvements between islands and mainland. Do not use Corfu because there were Epirote settlements. Zakynthos sounded good to me , but still same question applied. Its an interresting topic because peope overbroad have been claiming stuff but theres no very clear picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyss View Post
    Lefkada is still close to mainland geographically. There always was populations mouvements between islands and mainland. Do not use Corfu because there were Epirote settlements. Zakynthos sounded good to me , but still same question applied.
    I don't have a result from there.

    I think comparisons to Calabria and Sicily are valuable, and to the Aegean islands. But we also cannot assume mainland Greeks were ever identical to people in these regions, which have likely always had more contact with the Near East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I have asked similar questions but never so straightforward.

    We have established in other threads that modern Greeks indeed have Slavic admixture. But how much? To know, we need to establish a baseline for which population is closest to pre-Slavic Greeks.

    If southern Italians are the baseline for pre-Slavic Greeks, then Greeks appear to be 25% Slavic, coming up as 75% South Italian, 25% Russian or Ukrainian. But is this accurate?

    Here are two GEDmatch results using the Eurogenes K15 calculator. I have highlighted the Oracle results. Both come from the Peloponnese, which presumably has less Slavic admixture than the north of the country and border regions.

    "East Euro" + "Baltic" come out around 20%, compared to much lower among southern Italians.



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 22.46
    2 Atlantic 18.5
    3 West_Med 16.66
    4 West_Asian 15.92
    5 Baltic 12.61
    6 Eastern_Euro 7.67

    7 North_Sea 3.65
    8 Red_Sea 1.82
    9 Oceanian 0.46
    10 Northeast_African 0.23

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek 6.02
    2 Central_Greek 10.57
    3 Italian_Abruzzo 10.83
    4 Bulgarian 11.23
    5 Greek_Thessaly 11.65
    6 West_Sicilian 11.72
    7 East_Sicilian 11.77
    8 South_Italian 12.49
    9 Ashkenazi 12.82
    10 Tuscan 13.15
    11 Romanian 14.35
    12 Sephardic_Jewish 16.76
    13 North_Italian 17.23
    14 Italian_Jewish 17.3
    15 Algerian_Jewish 17.62
    16 Serbian 18.12
    17 Tunisian_Jewish 20.51
    18 Turkish 21.04
    19 Cyprian 21.51
    20 Moldavian 22.46

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.6% Greek + 6.4% North_Ossetian @ 5.51
    2 93.4% Greek + 6.6% Adygei @ 5.54
    3 93.3% Greek + 6.7% Kabardin @ 5.55
    4 93.4% Greek + 6.6% Balkar @ 5.55
    5 94.6% Greek + 5.4% Abhkasian @ 5.56
    6 94.5% Greek + 5.5% Georgian @ 5.62
    7 94.5% Greek + 5.5% Ossetian @ 5.64
    8 94.4% Greek + 5.6% Chechen @ 5.66
    9 94.3% Greek + 5.7% Kumyk @ 5.76
    10 95.3% Greek + 4.7% Lezgin @ 5.8
    11 93.5% Greek + 6.5% Turkish @ 5.86
    12 95.6% Greek + 4.4% Nogay @ 5.86
    13 95.4% Greek + 4.6% Kurdish @ 5.87
    14 95.3% Greek + 4.7% Azeri @ 5.9
    15 96.9% Greek + 3.1% Tabassaran @ 5.92
    16 96.5% Greek + 3.5% Iranian @ 5.93
    17 96.6% Greek + 3.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.94
    18 96.7% Greek + 3.3% Armenian @ 5.95
    19 97.7% Greek + 2.3% Balochi @ 5.95
    20 97.8% Greek + 2.2% Brahui @ 5.95


    and then the second one..


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 26.23
    2 West_Med 14.68
    3 North_Sea 13.16
    4 West_Asian 12.93
    5 Baltic 11.03
    6 Atlantic 10.39
    7 Eastern_Euro 8.04
    8 Red_Sea 2.75
    9 Amerindian 0.42
    10 South_Asian 0.3
    11 Southeast_Asian 0.05
    12 Siberian 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek_Thessaly 5.3
    2 Greek 6.7
    3 Central_Greek 7.54
    4 Ashkenazi 7.62
    5 East_Sicilian 8.99
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 9.31
    7 South_Italian 10.79
    8 Bulgarian 10.85
    9 West_Sicilian 11.09
    10 Tuscan 12.55
    11 Romanian 12.67
    12 Italian_Jewish 14.14
    13 Sephardic_Jewish 15.31
    14 Algerian_Jewish 15.61
    15 Serbian 15.79
    16 North_Italian 17.5
    17 Tunisian_Jewish 18.73
    18 Libyan_Jewish 18.89
    19 Cyprian 19.34
    20 Turkish 20.44

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 54.3% Cyprian + 45.7% Hungarian @ 3.47
    2 87.9% Greek_Thessaly + 12.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.88
    3 55.3% Serbian + 44.7% Cyprian @ 4.02
    4 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.19
    5 89.4% Greek_Thessaly + 10.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.2
    6 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Assyrian @ 4.23
    7 51.6% Cyprian + 48.4% Moldavian @ 4.28
    8 89.4% Greek_Thessaly + 10.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.31
    9 61.3% Romanian + 38.7% Cyprian @ 4.34
    10 60.5% Cyprian + 39.5% Ukrainian @ 4.35
    11 87.7% Greek_Thessaly + 12.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.37
    12 90% Greek_Thessaly + 10% Kurdish @ 4.39
    13 90% Greek_Thessaly + 10% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.39
    14 58.7% Cyprian + 41.3% East_German @ 4.4
    15 68.9% Romanian + 31.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.42
    16 84.9% Central_Greek + 15.1% Erzya @ 4.43
    17 72.6% Bulgarian + 27.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.43
    18 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Cyprian @ 4.47
    19 68.8% Romanian + 31.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.47
    20 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Azeri @ 4.48




    And now a southern Italian from Calabria:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 32.89
    2 West_Asian 16.92
    3 West_Med 14.43
    4 Atlantic 13.3
    5 North_Sea 9.2
    6 Baltic 6.18
    7 Red_Sea 4.85
    8 Eastern_Euro 1.49
    9 Northeast_African 0.72

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 4.84
    2 Central_Greek 6.15
    3 East_Sicilian 6.47
    4 Italian_Jewish 7.4
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 7.56
    6 Ashkenazi 8.18
    7 Italian_Abruzzo 8.22
    8 Algerian_Jewish 9.26
    9 West_Sicilian 9.45
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.75
    11 Cyprian 11.35
    12 Greek 11.61
    13 Greek_Thessaly 12.59
    14 Libyan_Jewish 13.12
    15 Lebanese_Muslim 14.18
    16 Tuscan 14.73
    17 Syrian 15.92
    18 Turkish 16.12
    19 Samaritan 18.1
    20 Lebanese_Christian 18.89

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 71.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 28.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.76
    2 78% Central_Greek + 22% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.98
    3 79.1% Cyprian + 20.9% Irish @ 3.09
    4 78.4% Cyprian + 21.6% Southeast_English @ 3.15
    5 79.4% Cyprian + 20.6% West_Scottish @ 3.24
    6 84.1% South_Italian + 15.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.25
    7 78.3% Cyprian + 21.7% Southwest_English @ 3.28
    8 77.9% Cyprian + 22.1% North_German @ 3.29
    9 71.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 28.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.36
    10 79.1% Cyprian + 20.9% North_Dutch @ 3.38
    11 76.1% Cyprian + 23.9% South_Dutch @ 3.41
    12 59.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.8% Cyprian @ 3.44
    13 79.7% Cyprian + 20.3% Orcadian @ 3.45
    14 79% Cyprian + 21% Danish @ 3.46
    15 85.8% South_Italian + 14.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.48
    16 85% South_Italian + 15% Assyrian @ 3.49
    17 86.2% South_Italian + 13.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.55
    18 81% South_Italian + 19% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.62
    19 76% Cyprian + 24% West_German @ 3.71
    20 87.1% South_Italian + 12.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.72
    Interesting. Looking at "Baltic' and "East Euro' components as sole markers of Slavic contribution would markedly underestimate it, because Slavs weren't pure Balts. I.e. the Slavs moving into the Balkans - especially those southern-most - would have had significant "Mediterranean' type ancestry to begin with.

    In absence of aDNA evidence from both sides of the Danube from 400 AD, 600 AD, and 900AD slices, it might be best to look at Y DNA as a rough but solid guide - i.e. the proportion of I2a - CTS10228 and R1a-Z280 in Greece. It probably reaches 50% in northern parts. But one cannot guarantee when they arrived, so estimates are fraught with risk

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    Interesting. Looking at "Baltic' and "East Euro' components as sole markers of Slavic contribution would markedly underestimate it, because Slavs weren't pure Balts. I.e. the Slavs moving into the Balkans - especially those southern-most - would have had significant "Mediterranean' type ancestry to begin with.

    In absence of aDNA evidence from both sides of the Danube from 400 AD, 600 AD, and 900AD slices, it might be best to look at Y DNA as a rough but solid guide - i.e. the proportion of I2a - CTS10228 and R1a-Z280 in Greece. It probably reaches 50% in northern parts. But one cannot guarantee when they arrived, so estimates are fraught with risk
    So you think it is possible for Greeks to be more significantly descended from Slavic migrants than 20%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    So you think it is possible for Greeks to be more significantly descended from Slavic migrants than 20%?
    It depends on the region. But yes- I'd bet Greek Macedonia would approach 50%.
    There was one region even in Crete (Lasithi plateau) with 20% R1a (Martinez 2007).

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    It depends on the region. But yes- I'd bet Greek Macedonia would approach 50%.
    There was one region even in Crete (Lasithi plateau) with 20% R1a (Martinez 2007).
    I think Epirus and Thrace might have even more Slavic ancestry than Macedonia. On 23andme when they had "Global Similarity" some Epirotes plotted north of me (I am 25% Polish, and the rest Sicilian, Portuguese and even 1/64 Sub-Saharan African from Cape Verde) and were shifted into the Slavic Balkans. I also have a GEDMatch result of a half Cretan, half Thracian (who I can show you) who plots as an average mainland Greek -- given that Cretans are like Sicilians, it means the Thracian side might be even more northern than the Greek average.

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