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    Lightbulb my family's results (Northern France at the border with Belgium)

    me (with 1/4 from Southern France (Auvergne))

    Y R1b1b2a1a2f*
    MT K1

    99.8% European

    Northwestern European
    32.3% French & German
    24.1% British & Irish
    2.4% Scandinavian

    28.1% Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    2.6% Iberian
    2.6% Italian
    4.8% Broadly Southern European

    2.9% Broadly European

    0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
    0.1% North African

    0.1% East Asian & Native American
    East Asian
    0.1% Broadly East Asian

    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 45.19%
    Baltic 20.53%
    West_Med 16.49%
    West_Asian 4.69%
    East_Med 9.89%
    Red_Sea 1.83%
    South_Asian 0.88%
    Amerindian 0.46%

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_Dutch @ 3.570861
    2 West_German @ 4.356931
    3 French @ 5.131073
    4 Southeast_English @ 8.288505
    5 Southwest_English @ 10.177438
    6 Orcadian @ 11.222371
    7 North_German @ 11.316727
    8 North_Dutch @ 11.840305
    9 Danish @ 11.891972
    10 Irish @ 12.432858
    11 West_Scottish @ 12.577166
    12 Austrian @ 12.805714
    13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.634468
    14 Norwegian @ 14.646075
    15 East_German @ 14.709287
    16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 14.993813
    17 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.214324
    18 Portuguese @ 15.247333
    19 Swedish @ 15.864409
    20 Southwest_French @ 16.333080

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +50% South_Dutch @ 2.531235


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% Tuscan @ 1.470170


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.470170
    2 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.567044
    3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.598932
    4 French + French + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.712220
    5 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 1.716137
    6 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.769639
    7 North_Italian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.826366
    8 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.836527
    9 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.839161
    10 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.860102
    11 French + North_Italian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 1.862119
    12 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.863093
    13 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.874450
    14 North_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.875590
    15 Danish + French + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.882392
    16 French + French + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 1.904625
    17 Danish + French + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.925665
    18 Danish + French + French + French @ 1.939092
    19 French + North_German + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.958573
    20 French + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.960568


    my father

    Y R1b1b2a1a2f*
    MT H1e

    99.8% European

    Northwestern European
    28.3% British & Irish
    22.4% French & German
    3.3% Scandinavian
    32.9% Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    1.6% Italian
    0.3% Iberian
    5.1% Broadly Southern European

    5.9% Broadly European

    0.1% Sub-Saharan African
    0.1% West African

    0.1% East Asian & Native American
    East Asian
    0.1% Broadly East Asian

    0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
    < 0.1% North African
    < 0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African

    < 0.1% Unassigned

    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 45.56%
    Baltic 21.33%
    West_Med 13.76%
    West_Asian 7.48%
    East_Med 8.40%
    Red_Sea 0.76%
    South_Asian 0.25%
    Amerindian 1.64%
    Oceanian 0.82%

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_German @ 3.232328
    2 South_Dutch @ 3.652236
    3 Southeast_English @ 7.112415
    4 North_German @ 8.468881
    5 French @ 8.573508
    6 Southwest_English @ 9.241196
    7 Orcadian @ 9.380301
    8 North_Dutch @ 9.421523
    9 Danish @ 9.502286
    10 Irish @ 10.254767
    11 West_Scottish @ 10.696402
    12 Austrian @ 12.128371
    13 Norwegian @ 12.194796
    14 Swedish @ 13.478151
    15 East_German @ 13.978223
    16 Hungarian @ 16.956377
    17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.112972
    18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.566935
    19 North_Swedish @ 18.632168
    20 Portuguese @ 18.677328

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% South_Dutch +50% West_German @ 3.215255


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% North_Dutch +25% Tuscan +25% West_Scottish @ 2.048841


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.838483
    2 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.930058
    3 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.946512
    4 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.048841
    5 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.049126
    6 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 2.069249
    7 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 2.072714
    8 Danish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.073895
    9 Danish + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.122411
    10 Danish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.125711
    11 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.129529
    12 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.138594
    13 Irish + North_German + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.139315
    14 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.144929
    15 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.148020
    16 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.156180
    17 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.156535
    18 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.162367
    19 Greek_Thessaly + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.173348
    20 Irish + Irish + North_German + Tuscan @ 2.176007

    my gf

    MT K1c1b

    99.8% European

    Northwestern European
    41.9% French & German
    12.3% British & Irish
    1.1% Scandinavian
    36.8% Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    2.6% Iberian
    2.0% Italian
    1.8% Broadly Southern European

    1.4% Broadly European

    0.2% Middle Eastern & North African
    0.2% North African
    < 0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African

    < 0.1% Unassigned

    Eurogenes K13
    North_Atlantic 51.04%
    Baltic 19.66%
    West_Med 12.12%
    West_Asian 6.50%
    East_Med 8.51%
    Red_Sea 0.05%
    South_Asian 0.70%
    Siberian 0.47%
    Amerindian 0.23%
    Oceanian 0.55%
    Northeast_African 0.18%

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Southeast_English @ 5.746287
    2 Southwest_English @ 7.273269
    3 Orcadian @ 7.906044
    4 South_Dutch @ 8.082215
    5 West_Scottish @ 8.141462
    6 Irish @ 8.508794
    7 North_Dutch @ 8.793388
    8 West_German @ 8.837900
    9 Danish @ 8.850598
    10 North_German @ 9.892859
    11 Norwegian @ 11.522433
    12 French @ 11.999846
    13 Swedish @ 14.114344
    14 Austrian @ 17.457342
    15 East_German @ 18.888851
    16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.313066
    17 North_Swedish @ 20.349697
    18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.743195
    19 Portuguese @ 21.419628
    20 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.634594

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southeast_English +50% Southeast_English @ 5.746287


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Danish +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% West_Scottish @ 5.438771


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.349231
    2 Danish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.423616
    3 Danish + Danish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.438771
    4 French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.461194
    5 Danish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.495834
    6 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 5.510338
    7 French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.514400
    8 French + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.516860
    9 Danish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.519123
    10 North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.535996
    11 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.539357
    12 Danish + Irish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.545815
    13 Danish + French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 5.553168
    14 French + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.572126
    15 Danish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.578237
    16 Danish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 5.582393
    17 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.582673
    18 Danish + French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 5.583690
    19 North_German + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.584471
    20 Danish + Danish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 5.589031

    my gf's father

    Y R1b1b2a1
    MT H5a1

    100% European

    Northwestern European
    42.1% French & German
    21.2% British & Irish
    2.0% Scandinavian
    28.2% Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    2.1% Iberian
    1.1% Italian
    0.9% Broadly Southern European
    0.1% Ashkenazi

    2.2% Broadly European

    < 0.1% Unassigned


    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 50.06%
    Baltic 16.93%
    West_Med 14.98%
    West_Asian 6.28%
    East_Med 9.68%
    Siberian 0.69%
    Amerindian 1.04%
    Oceanian 0.35%

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Southeast_English @ 8.213759
    2 South_Dutch @ 8.233535
    3 West_German @ 9.048696
    4 Southwest_English @ 9.159781
    5 French @ 9.392771
    6 Orcadian @ 10.849135
    7 West_Scottish @ 11.129471
    8 Irish @ 11.503531
    9 North_Dutch @ 12.258639
    10 Danish @ 12.479487
    11 North_German @ 13.155996
    12 Norwegian @ 15.079252
    13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.573495
    14 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.055368
    15 Swedish @ 17.538797
    16 Portuguese @ 17.878458
    17 Spanish_Cantabria @ 18.179245
    18 Spanish_Murcia @ 18.243376
    19 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.256699
    20 Austrian @ 18.432077

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +50% West_Scottish @ 6.084297


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southeast_English +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% West_Scottish @ 5.392285


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.392285
    2 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.422849
    3 Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.475543
    4 Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.487300
    5 Southwest_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.498518
    6 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish @ 5.504593
    7 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.536011
    8 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.536727
    9 French + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.559367
    10 Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.587614
    11 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.595315
    12 Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.617023
    13 Spanish_Valencia + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.622138
    14 South_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.627388
    15 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 5.627818
    16 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 5.631001
    17 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.631666
    18 Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.631914
    19 French + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.638615
    20 Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.646356

    my gf's mother

    MT K1c1b

    100% European

    Northwestern European
    44.0% French & German
    22.1% British & Irish
    2.5% Scandinavian
    0.4% Finnish
    26.5% Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    0.3% Iberian
    0.2% Sardinian
    0.1% Italian
    1.2% Broadly Southern European

    2.9% Broadly European

    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 50.48%
    Baltic 20.33%
    West_Med 10.78%
    West_Asian 10.08%
    East_Med 5.31%
    Red_Sea 1.67%
    South_Asian 0.80%
    Oceanian 0.55%

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish @ 7.102724
    2 Southeast_English @ 7.309330
    3 West_Scottish @ 7.324965
    4 Southwest_English @ 7.625353
    5 Orcadian @ 7.674745
    6 North_Dutch @ 7.776599
    7 Danish @ 8.097319
    8 North_German @ 8.491464
    9 South_Dutch @ 9.201059
    10 West_German @ 9.826274
    11 Norwegian @ 10.291577
    12 Swedish @ 12.822436
    13 French @ 14.121748
    14 Austrian @ 17.271967
    15 East_German @ 18.588469
    16 North_Swedish @ 19.449581
    17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.053257
    18 Hungarian @ 22.214874
    19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 23.376329
    20 Spanish_Galicia @ 23.880325

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_German +50% West_Scottish @ 6.005204

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% West_German +25% West_Scottish @ 5.907703

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Irish + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.907637
    2 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.907703
    3 West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.924191
    4 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 5.944686
    5 West_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.005204
    6 North_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.025070
    7 French + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.038688
    8 French + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 6.059113
    9 French + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 6.059121
    10 Irish + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.066903
    11 North_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.069073
    12 Irish + West_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.072801
    13 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_German @ 6.073871
    14 French + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 6.075476
    15 Southwest_English + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.086127
    16 Irish + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.092619
    17 Irish + North_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.096652
    18 Irish + North_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.102224
    19 Danish + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 6.104171
    20 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 6.104465

    my gf's maternal grandfather:

    Y R1b1b2a1
    MT U5b3b

    100% European

    Northwestern European
    45.5% French & German
    27.7% British & Irish
    4.3% Scandinavian
    0.4% Finnish
    21.8% Broadly Northwestern European
    0.3% Broadly European

    Eurogenes K13:
    North_Atlantic 45.54%
    Baltic 21.33%
    West_Med 14.95%
    West_Asian 8.74%
    East_Med 5.93%
    Red_Sea 2.24%
    South_Asian 0.13%
    Siberian 0.36%
    Oceanian 0.72%

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_Dutch @ 3.736138
    2 West_German @ 4.522999
    3 Southeast_English @ 7.379438
    4 Southwest_English @ 8.336303
    5 North_German @ 8.372397
    6 French @ 8.907539
    7 Orcadian @ 8.947030
    8 North_Dutch @ 9.133203
    9 Irish @ 9.431594
    10 Danish @ 9.525852
    11 West_Scottish @ 10.040100
    12 Norwegian @ 11.920204
    13 Austrian @ 12.299888
    14 Swedish @ 13.213561
    15 East_German @ 14.005446
    16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.459927
    17 Hungarian @ 17.571913
    18 North_Swedish @ 18.628700
    19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.770555
    20 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.780838

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +50% North_German @ 3.544711


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Tuscan @ 2.712218


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.712218
    2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.715393
    3 Irish + Irish + North_German + North_Italian @ 2.747537
    4 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.770788
    5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.790410
    6 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.871940
    7 Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.890718
    8 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 2.894015
    9 Irish + North_German + North_Italian + West_Scottish @ 2.895963
    10 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.900796
    11 Irish + Irish + Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.923447
    12 Irish + Irish + North_German + Tuscan @ 2.938615
    13 Irish + Irish + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.947503
    14 Greek_Thessaly + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.949415
    15 Greek_Thessaly + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.960866
    16 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.961635
    17 Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.964160
    18 Greek_Thessaly + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.981775
    19 Danish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.996377
    20 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.998468

    my gf's maternal grandmother

    mt K1c1b

    99.8% European

    Northwestern European
    41.8% French & German
    23.1% British & Irish
    0.8% Scandinavian
    28.4% Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    0.9% Italian
    2.1% Broadly Southern European

    2.5% Broadly European

    0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
    0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African
    0.2% Unassigned

    Eurogenes K13
    North_Atlantic 47.81%
    Baltic 19.33%
    West_Med 11.94%
    West_Asian 7.60%
    East_Med 9.97%
    Red_Sea 1.42%
    South_Asian 0.75%
    Amerindian 0.36%
    Oceanian 0.56%
    Sub-Saharan 0.26%

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_German @ 6.545192
    2 South_Dutch @ 6.599869
    3 Southeast_English @ 7.908690
    4 Southwest_English @ 9.765461
    5 French @ 9.853268
    6 North_German @ 10.089602
    7 Orcadian @ 10.214487
    8 Danish @ 10.359240
    9 North_Dutch @ 10.386683
    10 Irish @ 10.839868
    11 West_Scottish @ 10.867555
    12 Norwegian @ 13.242319
    13 Swedish @ 15.099059
    14 Austrian @ 15.293633
    15 East_German @ 17.247066
    16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.782148
    17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.173803
    18 Portuguese @ 19.414501
    19 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.764624
    20 Hungarian @ 19.811724

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Danish +50% French @ 5.802864


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% West_Scottish @ 4.379249


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.911220
    2 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.136990
    3 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.153870
    4 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.183745
    5 Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.202884
    6 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.257644
    7 Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.275694
    8 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 4.379249
    9 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 4.391238
    10 Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.406165
    11 Danish + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.418380
    12 Danish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 4.429317
    13 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.440349
    14 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 4.457744
    15 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 4.490840
    16 North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.497538
    17 Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.520894
    18 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 4.539440
    19 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 4.546628
    20 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.559973

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    Quite northern shifted... quite Flemish I'd say...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tchekitchek View Post
    Quite northern shifted... quite Flemish I'd say...
    Not exactly

    my father: 1/8 Artois, 1/8 Cambresis, 1/4 Douaisis, 1/16 (Flemish) Brabant, 7/16 Walloon Flanders (Halluin and around) (paternal line: Foufflin-Ricametz in the Ternois 1720)

    my gf's father: 1/4 Cambresis, 3/4 Flanders (Roubaix, Gent, Ostende, Ronse....) (paternal line: Mons en Pévèle around 1700)

    my gf's maternal grandfather: 1/4 Artois (paternal line: Richebourg), 3/4 Walloon Flanders (1/4 Phalempin and around)

    my gf's maternal grandmother: 7/8 Artois + Walloon Flanders (Bauvin, Carvin,... with one possible recent ancestor from Antwerpenin the 16, but not sure), 1/8 Normandy

    So most of the ancestors spoke French not flemish (except for my gf's father).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    Not exactly

    my father: 1/8 Artois, 1/8 Cambresis, 1/4 Douaisis, 1/16 (Flemish) Brabant, 7/16 Walloon Flanders (Halluin and around) (paternal line: Foufflin-Ricametz in the Ternois 1720)

    my gf's father: 1/4 Cambresis, 3/4 Flanders (Roubaix, Gent, Ostende, Ronse....) (paternal line: Mons en Pévèle around 1700)

    my gf's maternal grandfather: 1/4 Artois (paternal line: Richebourg), 3/4 Walloon Flanders (1/4 Phalempin and around)

    my gf's maternal grandmother: 7/8 Artois + Walloon Flanders (Bauvin, Carvin,... with one possible recent ancestor from Antwerpenin the 16, but not sure), 1/8 Normandy

    So most of the ancestors spoke French not flemish (except for my gf's father).
    Is it normal that people like you (and your family) that live so north of Europe get 0.1-0.2% Northafrican? I know that in old times (Neolithic) people from North-Africa crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and at least some of them went to Iberia (to the west part of Iberia), so it is normal that in them there is like a 1 or 1.2% of North-Africa (it is old ancestry, nothing to do with the 711 islamic thing).

    Is there a possibility that they also went more up north? I don´t think it is just noise since I have seen many other people in other places of Europe (even in England) with a 0.5 or less of NorthAfrica. If it was noise, they will get other kind of ancestry, and not almost always "North-Africa".

    Why is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfttrh44 View Post
    Is it normal that people like you (and your family) that live so north of Europe get 0.1-0.2% Northafrican? I know that in old times (Neolithic) people from North-Africa crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and at least some of them went to Iberia (to the west part of Iberia), so it is normal that in them there is like a 1 or 1.2% of North-Africa (it is old ancestry, nothing to do with the 711 islamic thing).

    Is there a possibility that they also went more up north? I don´t think it is just noise since I have seen many other people in other places of Europe (even in England) with a 0.5 or less of NorthAfrica. If it was noise, they will get other kind of ancestry, and not almost always "North-Africa".

    Why is this?
    Frankly, I don't know. But remember that the Roman Empire covered a large part of Europe, so some of the results could come from that time.

    Arguably, my gf's father has probably a distant ancestor from Spain or around (probably before 1700).

    But I think this is simply a trace from older times, of a common admixture. Or it's simply noise.

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    99.6% European

    Northwestern European
    31.9% French & German
    24.6% British & Irish
    1.3% Scandinavian
    33.6% Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    2.6% Iberian
    1.1% Italian
    1.7% Broadly Southern European

    0.1% Ashkenazi

    2.7% Broadly European

    0.2% Middle Eastern & North African
    0.2% North African

    < 0.1% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African

    0.2% Unassigned

    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 46.79
    Baltic 20.12
    West_Med 16.25
    West_Asian 8.33
    East_Med 6.24
    Red_Sea 0.52
    South_Asian 0.21
    East_Asian 1.04
    Amerindian 0.12
    Oceanian 0.37


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_Dutch @ 4.831060
    2 West_German @ 6.002964
    3 Southeast_English @ 6.685042
    4 Southwest_English @ 7.383027
    5 Orcadian @ 8.759936
    6 French @ 8.872453
    7 Irish @ 9.265206
    8 West_Scottish @ 9.649297
    9 North_Dutch @ 9.712631
    10 North_German @ 9.851871
    11 Danish @ 10.086326
    12 Norwegian @ 12.497741
    13 Austrian @ 14.360654
    14 Swedish @ 14.370111
    15 East_German @ 15.916394
    16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.421429
    17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.015879
    18 Southwest_French @ 18.197733
    19 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.462700
    20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 18.506981

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +50% Irish @ 3.788521


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% North_Italian @ 3.023034


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Italian @ 3.023034
    2 Irish + Irish + North_Italian + Southwest_English @ 3.062600
    3 Irish + Irish + North_Italian + West_Scottish @ 3.104682
    4 Irish + North_Italian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.193820
    5 Irish + Irish + North_Italian + Orcadian @ 3.207091
    6 Irish + North_Italian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.224550
    7 Irish + Irish + North_Italian + Southeast_English @ 3.264790
    8 Irish + North_Italian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.301656
    9 Irish + North_Italian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 3.310745
    10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Italian + Southwest_English @ 3.313492
    11 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Italian @ 3.355418
    12 North_Italian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.360699
    13 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_German @ 3.364993
    14 Irish + North_Italian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.366023
    15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Italian + West_Scottish @ 3.384905
    16 North_Dutch + North_Italian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.391776
    17 North_Italian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.396861
    18 Irish + North_Italian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.408155
    19 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 3.428580
    20 Danish + Irish + North_Italian + Southwest_English @ 3.432717

    and revised results for her son after phasing:

    99.7% European

    Northwestern European
    48.8% French & German
    17.3% British & Irish
    3.2% Scandinavian
    24.9% Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    2.7% Iberian
    1.2% Italian
    0.6% Broadly Southern European

    0.1% Ashkenazi

    0.9% Broadly European

    0.3% Middle Eastern & North African
    0.3% North African

    < 0.1% Unassigned
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    99.6% European

    Northwestern European
    42.3% French & German
    11.8% British & Irish
    1.7% Scandinavian
    33.4% Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    2.5% Italian
    1.6% Iberian
    1.9% Broadly Southern European

    4.3% Broadly European

    0.4% Middle Eastern & North African
    0.4% North African

    0.1% East Asian & Native American
    East Asian
    0.1% Broadly East Asian

    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 47.36
    Baltic 20.10
    West_Med 14.59
    West_Asian 3.75
    East_Med 11.62
    Red_Sea 0.63
    Siberian 1.26
    Amerindian 0.61
    Sub-Saharan 0.09

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_Dutch @ 6.229647
    2 West_German @ 6.679389
    3 French @ 7.978054
    4 Southeast_English @ 8.167423
    5 Southwest_English @ 10.459279
    6 Orcadian @ 11.138389
    7 Danish @ 11.812805
    8 North_Dutch @ 11.843062
    9 North_German @ 11.862838
    10 West_Scottish @ 12.362978
    11 Irish @ 12.555303
    12 Norwegian @ 14.514360
    13 Austrian @ 15.006420
    14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 15.213967
    15 Swedish @ 16.119974
    16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.599777
    17 East_German @ 16.813898
    18 Portuguese @ 16.971878
    19 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.363087
    20 Spanish_Murcia @ 17.914660

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +50% Southeast_English @ 4.971770


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% Tuscan @ 4.380361


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.380361
    2 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 4.386733
    3 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.421156
    4 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.539782
    5 North_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 4.547122
    6 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.559138
    7 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.591107
    8 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 4.623881
    9 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.625936
    10 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 4.654469
    11 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.661555
    12 Danish + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 4.702343
    13 Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.712377
    14 Danish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 4.714394
    15 Danish + North_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 4.730261
    16 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 4.744286
    17 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 4.747861
    18 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 4.747869
    19 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 4.749630
    20 Danish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 4.751762

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfttrh44 View Post
    Is it normal that people like you (and your family) that live so north of Europe get 0.1-0.2% Northafrican? I know that in old times (Neolithic) people from North-Africa crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and at least some of them went to Iberia (to the west part of Iberia), so it is normal that in them there is like a 1 or 1.2% of North-Africa (it is old ancestry, nothing to do with the 711 islamic thing).

    Is there a possibility that they also went more up north? I don´t think it is just noise since I have seen many other people in other places of Europe (even in England) with a 0.5 or less of NorthAfrica. If it was noise, they will get other kind of ancestry, and not almost always "North-Africa".

    Why is this?
    A few words about my own case. Before my father got tested, I had 0.1% MENA. I isolated the only MENA segment, and ran it though SPA, that localized it in central Asia ( somewhere in Uzbekhistan if I recall). Furthermore I worked on this segment with several chromosome paintings, and DIYDodecadWin ( window mode), without seeing anything that could justify a MENA identification. Since then, my father has got tested, and our three "genomes" phased ( my parents and me). The MENA segment has disappeared, and I am now 0% MENA.
    f.foucart: very impressive post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    Frankly, I don't know. But remember that the Roman Empire covered a large part of Europe, so some of the results could come from that time.

    Arguably, my gf's father has probably a distant ancestor from Spain or around (probably before 1700).

    But I think this is simply a trace from older times, of a common admixture. Or it's simply noise.
    I know this is in a response to an old post but, the Roman Empire is not the most recent time of N.A. (North African) ancestry in French population.
    (Gleize 2016)
    "Early Medieval Muslim Graves in France: First Archaeological, Anthropological and Palaeogenomic Evidence"
    doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0148583
    dp :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Powell View Post
    I know this is in a response to an old post but, the Roman Empire is not the most recent time of N.A. (North African) ancestry in French population.
    (Gleize 2016)
    "Early Medieval Muslim Graves in France: First Archaeological, Anthropological and Palaeogenomic Evidence"
    doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0148583
    dp :-)
    Extremely doubfull for various reasons:
    - Islamic presence was limited in space and time (extreme Southern France),
    - no Christian could take a Muslim wife, meaning the offspring of a Muslim was Muslim,
    - all Muslims were killed or expelled already in the XIth century.

    Hence, if some of them could the ancestors of many French (and Europeans), as not all offspring is legitimate, genetically they count for nothing.

    Moreover, if you want to list the number of possible admixture events, please remember that French kings and nobility (and low class people as well) went in Middle East and North Africa during the Crusades.

    Also, some African prisoners can be find in many European ports since the XVIth century, some of them probably left offspring.

    But this is not an explanation for finding some low level North African admixture in Europeans today. The Roman Empire is a far better choice, notably because the level of admixture is more or less following the Northern border of the Empire.

    In my specific case, my family lives for generations more than 1000 kilometers from where the remains has been found. Very difficult to imagine having inherited a detectable part of our genomes from this small outsider community.

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