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    My maternal 23andme results

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    mtDNA:



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    Most likely fit is 100% Armenian (Caucasus Area)which is 100% total Mideast

    The location error = 0.007628 with 1 group

    The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top

    Armenian= 1.000

    and indeed it looks very very plain Armenian.

    Doug McDonald
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    "Middle Eastern" is a somewhat vague term: it includes at least two distinct autosomal components recognized my multiple analyses. The first is a more southerly population, e.g. Arabs and Bedouins, corresponding fairly well with yDNA J1 and perhaps tying into Semitic and Elamite peoples; the second, a Caucasus or West Asian component, which corresponds rather better with yDNA J2, G2, and and the oldest of the R1b lines, and which is more typical of the northern Levant and southern Caucasus. The second is more to the point for Armenians.

    You can see this on McDonald's plot, where there are two axes near Armenians, one to north of the Caucasus -- and which Armenians are closer to -- while the other pulls south and eventually into northeast Africa.
     

    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    "Middle Eastern" is a somewhat vague term: it includes at least two distinct autosomal components recognized my multiple analyses. The first is a more southerly population, e.g. Arabs and Bedouins, corresponding fairly well with yDNA J1 and perhaps tying into Semitic and Elamite peoples; the second, a Caucasus or West Asian component, which corresponds rather better with yDNA J2, G2, and and the oldest of the R1b lines, and which is more typical of the northern Levant and southern Caucasus. The second is more to the point for Armenians.
    23andme's Middle Eastern category will be updated as per what I heard. They should divide it to Caucasus and Arabia (southwest Asian). My ancestry composition is almost 100% ME.

    Btw, we are not Armenians.
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    No? I'd be interested to know your background then: maybe Kurdish?
     

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    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    So what do you think about your results, given your known background?

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    Welcome to the forum and thank you for posting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Btw, we are not Armenians.
    Judging by your position, McDonald deeming you to be essentially Armenian genetically and the presence of two East Asian segments in your auDNA, I'd make an educated guess and say you are an Anatolian Turk with ancestry from the central-east of the plateau. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    23andme's Middle Eastern category will be updated as per what I heard. They should divide it to Caucasus and Arabia (southwest Asian). My ancestry composition is almost 100% ME.

    Btw, we are not Armenians.
    I know who you are. Nice to see you here. Interesting results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    No? I'd be interested to know your background then: maybe Kurdish?
    No,Turkish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    No,Turkish.
    Thanks, and welcome to the forum. It looks like DMXX gets the prize! You're slight outliers for Turks, but not remarkably so.
     

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    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Globe13

    48.04% West_Asian
    27.13% Mediterranean
    18.36% Southwest_Asian
    2.44% North_European
    1.62% South_Asian
    1.43% Siberian
    0.56% Amerindian
    0.35% Australasian
    0.06% East_Asian
    0.00% Arctic
    0.00% West_African
    0.00% Palaeo_African
    0.00% East_African


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    # Population Percent
    1 WEST_ASIAN 38.86
    2 EAST_MED 32.46
    3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 8.23
    4 WEST_MED 6.21
    5 ATLANTIC 4.59
    6 ASHKENAZI 3.09
    7 SOUTH_ASIAN 2.61
    8 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 1.73
    9 SOUTH_BALTIC 0.9
    10 SIBERIAN 0.73
    11 EAST_EURO 0.58

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Armenian 7.75
    2 TR 11.65
    3 Kurdish 11.71
    4 GE 12.37
    5 Assyrian 12.73
    6 IR 13.58
    7 Mandean 15.81
    8 Lezgin 20.59
    9 IQ 23.04
    10 GR 25.76
    11 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 27.48
    12 Druze 28.61
    13 Samaritan 30.28
    14 Brahui 33.76
    15 Balochi 34.53
    16 Tuscan 36.23
    17 RO 38.09
    18 AJ 38.18
    19 North_Italian 39.75
    20 Serbian 39.86

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 50.8% GE + 49.2% Assyrian @ 4.15
    2 72.1% GE + 27.9% Samaritan @ 4.3
    3 64.4% Armenian + 35.6% GE @ 4.39
    4 71.1% GE + 28.9% Druze @ 4.68
    5 56.9% GE + 43.1% Mandean @ 4.71
    6 66.8% GE + 33.2% IQ @ 5.39
    7 79.1% Armenian + 20.9% Lezgin @ 5.73
    8 52.1% TR + 47.9% GE @ 6.37
    9 52.1% Kurdish + 47.9% GE @ 6.97
    10 84.5% GE + 15.5% Bedouin @ 7.33
    11 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% Kalash @ 7.33
    12 71.4% GE + 28.6% GR @ 7.45
    13 94.2% Armenian + 5.8% Balochi @ 7.47
    14 94.1% Armenian + 5.9% Brahui @ 7.47
    15 85% Armenian + 15% IR @ 7.49
    16 83.6% Armenian + 16.4% Kurdish @ 7.55
    17 96.8% Armenian + 3.2% Burusho @ 7.58
    18 73% GE + 27% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 7.6
    19 97.7% Armenian + 2.3% Sindhi @ 7.65
    20 98.6% Armenian + 1.4% KZ @ 7.7

    MDLP-World with Oracle

    Population
    Caucaus_Parsia 43.24%
    Middle_East 22.91%
    Indian 2.33%
    South_and_West_European 27.32%
    Melanesian 0.46%
    Sub_Saharian 0.21%
    North_and_East_European 2.31%
    Arctic_Amerind -
    East_Asian 0.86%
    Paleo_African -
    Mesoamerican 0.36%
    North_Asian -

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Armenian 3.93
    2 Turk 6.49
    3 Georgian_Laz 8.24
    4 Azeri 9.01
    5 Kurd 9.13
    6 Jew_Azerbaijan 11.04
    7 Jew_Tat 11.68
    8 Jew-Uzbekistan 11.89
    9 Georgian 12.49
    10 Jew_Georgia 14.62
    11 Kumyk 14.89
    12 Georgian_Imereti 14.89
    13 Iranian 14.97
    14 Adygei 15.36
    15 Cirkassian 15.54
    16 Greek_Azov 15.62
    17 Kabardinian 15.63
    18 Jew_Kurd 15.87
    19 Jew-Iraqi 15.89
    20 NorthOssetian 16.02

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94.1% Armenian + 5.9% Ajv52 @ 1.76
    2 90.7% Armenian + 9.3% Roma @ 1.86
    3 86.7% Armenian + 13.3% Tatar_Crim @ 2.1
    4 93.7% Armenian + 6.3% Colville @ 2.13
    5 65.2% Armenian + 34.8% Turk @ 2.2
    6 93.4% Armenian + 6.6% Tatar_Lithuania @ 2.28
    7 82.9% Armenian + 17.1% Cirkassian @ 2.33
    8 92.4% Armenian + 7.6% Romania @ 2.34
    9 88.6% Armenian + 11.4% Nogai @ 2.35
    10 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% CEU @ 2.41
    11 94.8% Armenian + 5.2% Norwegian_V @ 2.42
    12 94.7% Armenian + 5.3% Welsh @ 2.44
    13 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% British @ 2.44
    14 95.1% Armenian + 4.9% Swedish_V @ 2.45
    15 94.7% Armenian + 5.3% Orcadian @ 2.46
    16 95% Armenian + 5% Swedish @ 2.47
    17 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% German @ 2.47
    18 94.6% Armenian + 5.4% CEU_V @ 2.47
    19 94.4% Armenian + 5.6% German_V @ 2.47
    20 94.8% Armenian + 5.2% German-North @ 2.48


    HarappaWorld Oracle-4
    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 armenian @ 4.399
    2 armenian @ 5.749
    3 azerbaijan-jew @ 6.718
    4 assyrian @ 7.021
    5 georgia-jew @ 9.416
    6 uzbekistan-jew @ 10.545
    7 turkish @ 11.099
    8 kurd @ 11.315
    9 azeri @ 11.616
    10 iranian-jew @ 11.833
    350 iterations.


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.238
    2 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.260
    3 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.296
    4 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.360
    5 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.451
    6 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.500
    7 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.501
    8 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.675
    9 armenian + armenian + armenian + iranian @ 2.691
    10 armenian + armenian + assyrian + kurd @ 2.697
    11 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 2.716
    12 armenian + armenian + armenian + iranian @ 2.764
    13 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 2.794
    14 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 2.810
    15 armenian + armenian + assyrian + kurd @ 2.831
    16 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 2.838
    17 armenian + armenian + assyrian + kurd @ 2.885
    18 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 2.979
    19 armenian + armenian + armenian + kurd @ 3.004
    20 armenian + armenian + azerbaijan-jew + kurd @ 3.074


    MDLP-World 22 Oracle-4
    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Armenian @ 5.653
    2 Turk @ 7.985
    3 Kurd @ 8.957
    4 Azeri @ 9.178
    5 Georgian_Laz @ 10.526
    6 Jew_Azerbaijan @ 10.990
    7 Jew-Uzbekistan @ 11.461
    8 Jew_Tat @ 11.474
    9 Jew_Kurd @ 14.226
    10 Georgian @ 14.313
    276 iterations.


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Abhkasian + Armenian + Greek_Cretan + Jew-Uzbekistan @ 1.797
    2 Georgian_Laz + Georgian_Laz + Greek_Cretan + Iranian @ 1.934
    3 Armenian + Georgian_Imereti + Greek_Cretan + Kurd @ 1.956
    4 Armenian + Azeri + Georgian_Imereti + Greek_Cretan @ 1.994
    5 Azeri + Georgian_Imereti + Greek_Cretan + Jew_Azerbaijan @ 2.075
    6 Abhkasian + Greek_Cretan + Jew_Azerbaijan + Kurd @ 2.084
    7 West-Asian + Jew-Uzbekistan + Jew-Uzbekistan + Sardinian @ 2.128
    8 West-Asian + Iranian + Jew-Iraqi + Sardinian @ 2.170
    9 Abhkasian + Armenian + Jew_Francestrale + Kurd @ 2.170
    10 Cirkassian + Cypriot + Georgian_Imereti + Jew-Uzbekistan @ 2.173
    11 Abhkasian + Armenian + Jew_Italia + Kurd @ 2.175
    12 Georgian + Georgian_Imereti + Jew-Uzbekistan + Sephardim @ 2.190
    13 Georgian_Imereti + Georgian_Laz + Jew_Romania + Jew-Uzbekistan @ 2.190
    14 Georgian_Laz + Georgian_Laz + Greek_Cretan + Kurd @ 2.194
    15 Georgian_Imereti + Georgian_Laz + Jew_Kurd + Jew_Romania @ 2.207
    16 Georgian_Imereti + Jew-Uzbekistan + Ossetian + Sephardim @ 2.208
    17 Abhkasian + Georgian_Laz + Iranian + Jew_Francestrale @ 2.213
    18 Abhkasian + Georgian_Laz + Jew_Francestrale + Jew-Uzbekistan @ 2.219
    19 West-Asian + Jew_Kurd + Jew-Uzbekistan + Sardinian @ 2.224
    20 Georgian_Imereti + Georgian_Laz + Greek_East + Jew_Kurd @ 2.225
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