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    Quote Originally Posted by Passa View Post
    Added three individuals from 15th-century Ellwangen, South Germany (source). Added one Migration Period individual from what is now Moravia (source).
    hi passa do you have file ENA browser this remains E-PF2431

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Interesting, Ellwangen:
    from where you get these haplogroups please?
    37.2 Iberomaurusian
    36.0 Early_European_Farmer
    8.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    7.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.4 Iran_Neolithic
    5.0 SSA


    Paternal Haplogroup == Hidden Content == YF80557

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imesmouden View Post
    from where you get these haplogroups please?
    From the site the thread is about:
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...4999999995&z=3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passa View Post
    Added three individuals from 15th-century Ellwangen, South Germany (source). Added one Migration Period individual from what is now Moravia (source).
    Please how could you know these samples haplogroups?

    E-M5172 (515-373 ybp)
    E-PF2211 (515-373 ybp)
    E-FGC18986(xPF2440) (515-373 ybp)
    37.2 Iberomaurusian
    36.0 Early_European_Farmer
    8.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    7.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.4 Iran_Neolithic
    5.0 SSA


    Paternal Haplogroup == Hidden Content == YF80557

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imesmouden View Post
    Please how could you know these samples haplogroups?

    E-M5172 (515-373 ybp)
    E-PF2211 (515-373 ybp)
    E-FGC18986(xPF2440) (515-373 ybp)
    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2021/...16359561546433
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    Ancestral maternal origin: Nordic Bronze Age > Pre-Roman Iron Age > Roman Iron Age > Germanic Iron Age > Longobard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bane View Post
    Thank you Passa!
    Is it official that the Moravian sample is from the 5th century? Some people wrote it could be from the 9th/10th century like the Pohansko samples.
    Not official. But a quick Google query seems to indeed point at the site as being a Migration Period one. Anyway, when we will have official info, I will update the map entry accordingly.
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    LIB11, pre-Slavic E-L241 is at Yfull:
    https://yfull.com/live/tree/E-L241/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    LIB11, pre-Slavic E-L241 is at Yfull:
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    frpm where this remains

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    Quote Originally Posted by capsian View Post
    frpm where this remains
    You see it on the map, Břeclav-Libivá:
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...5096653887&z=6

    That's pretty much between Czech Republic, Slovakia and Austria, in that triangle.

    There will come many more Moravian samples out, sooner or later, from Slavic times:

    DNA test traces direct descendants of Great Moravian noblemen
    https://english.radio.cz/dna-test-tr...blemen-8135728

    I think some will turn out to be E-V13 and the haplogroup will be very old in the region, because I think it reached it if not with Epi-Corded people, with Gáva-Holigrady culture, Eastern Urnfield splinters, Thraco-Cimmerian horizon and Eastern Hallstatt (Illyrian-related), being present in local tribes, including local Celts - and even with later Romans, Germanics and Slavs.

    The question which remains now is, which people brought which subclades and to which group of people did LIB11 paternal lineage belong to. Top candidates might be Eastern Celts, Germanic, unknown Thraco-Illyrian/Lusatian related people, or Proto-Slavic.
    Last edited by Riverman; 04-21-2021 at 12:58 PM.

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    This might be the oldest proven E-V13 carrier after the Indoeuropean transformation (to this date, April 2021):
    SEEurope5 - Kapitan Andreevo
    https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_...chfor=Bulgaria

    This sample after the LBA-EIA expansion (in my opinion of Channeled Ware/Gava people to name it that way) in Thracia being mentioned as E-V13 on various sites.

    @Passa: You included the other E-samples from the same site (most likely most would be E-V13 at higher resolution) but not this one? Is there a particular reason?

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