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    How has spread the sub-clade I-Z138?

    How has spread (and where) the sub-clade I-Z138? Because it is very disparate.
    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

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    I am very interested in knowing as well. I am I-Z138 positive also and have a terminal SNP of I-A6830. My paternal line has lived in the U.S. for many generations but based on our surname etymology, I believe our line to have lived in Britain for some time (perhaps Norman, Dane, Anglo-Saxon or some even say Welsh). From what I have observed within the Z138 group on Facebook, it seems like Z138 touches many different areas including England, Scotland, Ireland, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, and France. As such, I am guessing Z138 predates many of the Dark Age peoples that we typically hear of (Angles, Saxons, Frisians, Franks, Goths, etc.). I am hoping someone more knowledgable on Z138 will be able to shed more light on our highly diversified sub-haplogroup!

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    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by davedog83 View Post
    I am very interested in knowing as well. I am I-Z138 positive also and have a terminal SNP of I-A6830. My paternal line has lived in the U.S. for many generations but based on our surname etymology, I believe our line to have lived in Britain for some time (perhaps Norman, Dane, Anglo-Saxon or some even say Welsh). From what I have observed within the Z138 group on Facebook, it seems like Z138 touches many different areas including England, Scotland, Ireland, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, and France. As such, I am guessing Z138 predates many of the Dark Age peoples that we typically hear of (Angles, Saxons, Frisians, Franks, Goths, etc.). I am hoping someone more knowledgable on Z138 will be able to shed more light on our highly diversified sub-haplogroup!
    I1-Z138-tree.png

    If these phylogeny trees are correct, it looks like many of the SNPs from Z138 arose in the Nordic Bronze Age and early Germanic Iron Age expansion, from there the Migration Period could have carried it to wherever Germanic peoples migrated too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davedog83 View Post
    I am very interested in knowing as well. I am I-Z138 positive also and have a terminal SNP of I-A6830. My paternal line has lived in the U.S. for many generations but based on our surname etymology, I believe our line to have lived in Britain for some time (perhaps Norman, Dane, Anglo-Saxon or some even say Welsh). From what I have observed within the Z138 group on Facebook, it seems like Z138 touches many different areas including England, Scotland, Ireland, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, and France. As such, I am guessing Z138 predates many of the Dark Age peoples that we typically hear of (Angles, Saxons, Frisians, Franks, Goths, etc.). I am hoping someone more knowledgable on Z138 will be able to shed more light on our highly diversified sub-haplogroup!
    YFull dates Z138 to 4600 ybp or approximately 2600 BC. So youre right about it predating the people named above.

    I-Z138/Z138/S296 * S5204/FGC3447 * Z139/S338+1 SNPsformed 4600 ybp, TMRCA 4600 ybp.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z138/


    Here's what YFull has to say about your SNP A6830, which they have as equivalent to or within FGC3459, (hit the tab +13 SNPS). They're giving it a TMRCA of 2300 ybp.

    I-FGC3459/A6875/A6845/FGC3509 * A6866/A6834/FGC3482 * A6878/A6846/FGC3511+13 SNPs formed 4200 ybp, TMRCA 2300 ybp

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-FGC3459/


    Eupedia says:

    Z138+ (aka Z139+) is a very disparate subclade. It is found at very low frequency throughout the Germanic world, with a peak in England and Wales (although it could just be because of oversampling in Britain). Besides Germanic countries, it has also been found in Ireland, Portugal, southern Italy, Hungary and Romania. Z138+ corresponds to AS2, AS10, AS1010.2, AS10910, AS1221, AS1414 and Esc-13 in FTDNA's STR-based nomenclature. Z138 is divided in four subclades: S2293 (the largest), S5619, PF1610, and PF2364.

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

    They also have a phylogenetic tree of Z138 at Eupedia that places FGC3459 aka A6830 approximately around the time of the Nordic Bronze Age. They list it as being English

    You'll have to scroll down a bit to find Eupedia's information
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    The_Lyonnist, if you have not done so already, you should definitely join the Z138 group on Facebook. Our group is growing with new Z138ers all the time and many of the members are very knowledgeable on our sub-clade. Cheers!

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