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    23andme & AncestryDNA results for Italians and Greeks!

    CALABRIA, SOUTHERN ITALY:


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    I identify mostly as British diaspora in America, but what strikes me is how consistent these samples seem to cluster in 60-70% Italian cluster vs. none to very little with their Iberian or French / German neighbors at 23andMe.

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    I'd definitely be interested to see the results for Central and North Italians if you have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieD View Post
    I identify mostly as British diaspora in America, but what strikes me is how consistent these samples seem to cluster in 60-70% Italian cluster vs. none to very little with their Iberian or French / German neighbors at 23andMe.
    "Italian" on here is Tuscan and Central Italian mostly, plus some southern Italians in the reference sample. What this shows then is that southern Italians are like their central Italian neighbors, with a sizable West Asian element. When I post Aegean island Greeks, you'll see they score Italian as well.

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    Last edited by Dimanto; 02-29-2016 at 01:48 AM.
    Mc Donald:
    Most likely fit is 62.4% (+- 9.5%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 37.6% (+- 9.5%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
    Dodecad World9:
    1 50% S_Italian_Sicilian +50% Dutch @ 1.083
    2 50% German +50% S_Italian @ 1.126
    3 50% Dutch +50% S_Italian @ 1.148

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    Last edited by Dimanto; 02-29-2016 at 01:49 AM.
    Mc Donald:
    Most likely fit is 62.4% (+- 9.5%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 37.6% (+- 9.5%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
    Dodecad World9:
    1 50% S_Italian_Sicilian +50% Dutch @ 1.083
    2 50% German +50% S_Italian @ 1.126
    3 50% Dutch +50% S_Italian @ 1.148

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    You can see the difference between the results when you see the North Italians. Campanians have the same strong West Asian affinity as do Sicilians/Calabrese, while the North Italians plot much further north and have other components in its place.

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    Sikeliot and Dimanto, here are my 23andMe results.

    4 grandparents, Lucca Province, NW Tuscany

    Speculative Mode:

    99.5pc European

    Southern European

    56.6pc Italian
    5.7pc Iberian
    <0.1pc Balkan
    Broadly Southern European 19.2pc

    Northern European

    French and German 1.7pc
    British and Irish 1.1pc
    Broadly Northern European 10.9pc

    Broadly European 4.4pc

    Other

    Yakut 0.1pc
    Broadly Sub-Saharan 0.1pc
    Unassigned 0.3pc

    Am I characteristically Tuscan/Central Italian with no MENA (beyond what is embedded in their "Italian" category) and low Northern European?
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    I have noticed on almost all the results that I have seen of mainland Greeks, Island Greeks etc, that they tend to have more Italian than Balkan, even though that Greece is under the Balkan region.. it seems even to be accurate when comparing Pontic Greeks and Cypriots that typically score the opposite proportions to Middle Eastern/Europe (but that is another discussion). So Greeks tendend to have approx 85/15 (average) Europe/Middle East, and Cypriots/Pontic Greeks (if "pure" from the region and not mixed) had 15/85 Europe/M.E, BUT, the Southern European component was always (without exception almost) Italian for the Pontic Greeks and not Balkan..for mainland Greeks and Islanders Balkan was present but as said before, always much less than the Italian component.

    What are your theories about this..?
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