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    I found this video interesting.



    The girls' accents are interesting, and their physical appearance is interesting, as well. When I was in Wales last summer, it seemed to me there were a lot a of redheads in Wales. Here is BritainsDNA's red hair variants frequency map, which shows Wales as pretty high in red hair variants.

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    I would like to see archaeologists and geneticists do some poking around on the Scudamores' property in Herefordshire to see if they can turn up the remains of Owain Glyndwr (Shakespeare's Owen Glendower). I would really like to see Glyndwr's genome, especially his y-dna.

    Here is a pretty good documentary on Glyndwr.

     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I would like to see archaeologists and geneticists do some poking around on the Scudamores' property in Herefordshire to see if they can turn up the remains of Owain Glyndwr (Shakespeare's Owen Glendower). I would really like to see Glyndwr's genome, especially his y-dna.

    Here is a pretty good documentary on Glyndwr.

    Sorry I haven't watched the video yet. It is a bit of a mystery that such a prominent figure should basically just disappear. The Welsh like heroes who disappear, as they could return when the time is right to drive out the invader. There is a reference to Anglo-Welsh origins and Glyndwr's grandfather marrying a Lestrange, but I don't know if this means they were blood relations, that is, she was his grandmother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I found this video interesting.



    The girls' accents are interesting, and their physical appearance is interesting, as well. When I was in Wales last summer, it seemed to me there were a lot a of redheads in Wales. Here is BritainsDNA's red hair variants frequency map, which shows Wales as pretty high in red hair variants.

    red-head-carrier-frequencies bdna.jpg
    Welsh accents can be very varied within a relatively small geographical area. I'm from this part of the World. Cwmbran is a relatively new town, (1949) so there was a lot of in-migration, it doesn't sound "Welsh" to me. Perhaps 10-15 miles up the road you have the valleys where the Welsh accent is much more evident despite major migration during the industrial revolution. I worked in Newport and Cwmbran and used to be mocked for pronouncing "coat" "cort" etc.

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    Speaking of the adjective "posh" (mentioned by the red haired girl Chloe in reference to her accent), when my family and I were having dinner one evening at the Neuadd Arms Hotel in Llanwrtyd Wells, the lady who owned the place (who has a surname ending in the very English "ham", btw) remarked that my surname didn't sound Welsh to her but instead struck her as a "posh" English surname. I suppose that was flattering in some ways, but I assured her my ancestry is Welsh, as confirmed by genetic testing, and that originally it was ap Stephen, subject to a common transformation reflected in other similar Welsh surnames with s endings like Williams, Evans, Roberts, Hughes, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Speaking of the adjective "posh" (mentioned by the red haired girl Chloe in reference to her accent), when my family and I were having dinner one evening at the Neuadd Arms Hotel in Llanwrtyd Wells, the lady who owned the place (who has a surname ending in the very English "ham", btw) remarked that my surname didn't sound Welsh to her but instead struck her as a "posh" English surname. I suppose that was flattering in some ways, but I assured her my ancestry is Welsh, as confirmed by genetic testing, and that originally it was ap Stephen, subject to a common transformation reflected in other similar Welsh surnames with s endings like Williams, Evans, Roberts, Hughes, etc.
    "Posh" can be a compliment or sometimes said with a bit of a sneer and showing envy or a degree of resentment in Wales. You can check your Welsh posh-ness here.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...FqgSlmKgiW2JEA

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    Just out of interest, this is a song about Glyndwr. Most Welsh people, I think, aren't fervent about independence these days for pragmatic reasons, but maybe many have a little romantic piece of themselves which regrets it can't be so.

    https://youtu.be/6OMISGGz1rs

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    [QUOTE=JohnHowellsTyrfro;144213]"Posh" can be a compliment or sometimes said with a bit of a sneer and showing envy or a degree of resentment in Wales. You can check your Welsh posh-ness here.

    I was on the end of it once too - New Years Eve in Usk. Somehow a local (very drunk!) considered my Aussie accent posh or something similar.... not something we would get too often overseas I don't think - usually the opposite

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHowellsTyrfro View Post
    "Posh" can be a compliment or sometimes said with a bit of a sneer and showing envy or a degree of resentment in Wales. You can check your Welsh posh-ness here.

    I was on the end of it once too - New Years Eve in Usk. Somehow a local (very drunk!) considered my Aussie accent posh or something similar.... not something we would get too often overseas I don't think - usually the opposite
    Usk Town itself is quite a "posh" area I think, quite affluent, you might have come across someone from outside the town. There can be a sort of reverse snobbery amongst some people here. When I was younger I was sometimes on the receiving end of jokes because I pronounced the "H" in Howells. Some people can have a chip on their shoulder, for whatever reason. I'm not saying it is just a Welsh characteristic, most people are very friendly to outsiders.

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    [QUOTE=JohnHowellsTyrfro;144232]
    Quote Originally Posted by GMan71 View Post

    Usk Town itself is quite a "posh" area I think, quite affluent, you might have come across someone from outside the town. There can be a sort of reverse snobbery amongst some people here. When I was younger I was sometimes on the receiving end of jokes because I pronounced the "H" in Howells. Some people can have a chip on their shoulder, for whatever reason. I'm not saying it is just a Welsh characteristic, most people are very friendly to outsiders.
    Re the chip on the shoulder and reverse snobbery - I don't disagree - can get that anywhere and I'm sure I've been guilty of reverse snobbery from time to time - but then maybe I get that from my Welsh mothers side

    Found the folk of Usk very friendly that New Years eve BTW - and one in particular could have been "very" friendly .......but I had a girlfriend back home so its just a memory of what could have been!

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