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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe Watts View Post
    Perhaps I can add a subsidiary question? Does anyone score a Welsh community based on Welsh ggg grandparents or further? I know it will be difficult to generalise.

    All my closest matches have a Welsh GC, including some 3C2Rs whose ancestors emigrated in the 1850s. My first match without a Welsh community is Wendy, a 4C1R. Two of her 2G grandparents emigrated in the 1850s from the same part of west Wales, they met on the journey and married in America.
    I don't. When it comes to my y-chromosome line, I'm Welsh, but when it comes to my overall autosomal ancestry I'm British and Irish that was thrown into an American blender and recombined according to the regional history of North America.

    Here's my Ancestry Ethnicity Estimate, which I think is pretty accurate.

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    That's why I don't do Living DNA, because I don't think it would do much good. My ancestors came from Britain and Ireland (and the Netherlands, France, and Switzerland) a long time ago, so in terms of autosomal dna I'm not going to track to one or two particular regions in the Isles, except maybe generally western.
     


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    I'd love to see some aDNA work on these 100 people. I like the idea of a collaboration between Wales and Ireland and hope to see more of this kind even if we leave the EU.
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    It's funny that dna testing, especially y-dna testing, points me toward Wales, but the more I learn, the less I am concerned with Celts. Instead, I am driven further back, to the Kurgan Bell Beaker people and perhaps to Corded Ware, which may have been the source of Kurgan Bell Beaker.

    Now the Celts seem comparatively recent, the way the flappers of the 1920s used to seem. I know: weird.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I don't. When it comes to my y-chromosome line, I'm Welsh, but when it comes to my overall autosomal ancestry I'm British and Irish that was thrown into an American blender and recombined according to the regional history of North America.

    Here's my Ancestry Ethnicity Estimate, which I think is pretty accurate.

    Ethnicity Estimate_Ancestry DNA_local stuff_8 June 2019.jpg

    That's why I don't do Living DNA, because I don't think it would do much good. My ancestors came from Britain and Ireland (and the Netherlands, France, and Switzerland) a long time ago, so in terms of autosomal dna I'm not going to track to one or two particular regions in the Isles, except maybe generally western.
    I have a similar case I suppose, though my Y-line prior to anything genealogically relevant is probably not Welsh , and I still really have no idea what it may be. I have a network of matches for certain parts of my family tree ranging from Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall and the Netherlands. The network for the my Irish matches spans both Ulster, Munster and settlers in Canada. Beyond that I also have the communities I would expect with ancestry from Nova Scotia & PEI, with those being Scottish Highlands, Ulster, Nova Scotia settlers and New England settlers to name a few.


    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    It's funny that dna testing, especially y-dna testing, points me toward Wales, but the more I learn, the less I am concerned with Celts. Instead, I am driven further back, to the Kurgan Bell Beaker people and perhaps to Corded Ware, which may have been the source of Kurgan Bell Beaker.

    Now the Celts seem comparatively recent, the way the flappers of the 1920s used to seem. I know: weird.
    I would say that the Celts don't have as mysterious a quality as that of the Kurgan Bell Beaker or the Corded Ware. However, the Celts still capture the imagination of many to this day. My biggest interest in terms of paleogenetics is Haplogroup I1, clearly it arrived via aliens

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
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    I would say that the Celts don't have as mysterious a quality as that of the Kurgan Bell Beaker or the Corded Ware. However, the Celts still capture the imagination of many to this day. My biggest interest in terms of paleogenetics is Haplogroup I1, clearly it arrived via aliens
    The Celts certainly are the focus of a good deal of wannabeism, surpassed in that only by the Vikings, the Germanic barbarians of the Migration Period, and the Proto-Indo-Europeans.

    When I ordered my first Y-37 test from FTDNA, I was hoping to discover that my y line was Viking. That didn't pan out, so I dropped it pretty quickly in exchange for reality, which is more fun anyway because it is, after all, real.

    My primary interest is in my personal genealogy. I get into the wayback machine only when things are slow on the personal genealogy front.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    The Celts certainly are the focus of a good deal of wannabeism, surpassed in that only by the Vikings, the Germanic barbarians of the Migration Period, and the Proto-Indo-Europeans.

    When I ordered my first Y-37 test from FTDNA, I was hoping to discover that my y line was Viking. That didn't pan out, so I dropped it pretty quickly in exchange for reality, which is more fun anyway because it is, after all, real.

    My primary interest is in my personal genealogy. I get into the wayback machine only when things are slow on the personal genealogy front.
    Wannabeism, that is a good way to describe it. It is certainly not helped by the romanticism behind these groups in history that attracts this sort of attention.

    Funny you should say you had hoped your Y-line was Viking. When I initially ordered a Y-DNA test my cousin had his results on our surnames project page and he was a lone-wolf and I wanted to test to see if I was match to him, but I also wanted to know if perhaps his result was a fluke, especially since our surnames lore connects it to Niall Noígíallach. It turned out that it was not a fluke and at the time we were really somewhere under the I-M170 haplogroup umbrella.

    My personal genealogy is also my main focus. Though things have been extremely slow on that front, which is probably why I've been more interested in prehistoric and historic movements of humans, and specifically those who belonged to I1 (or perhaps just I-M170).

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    I think in us men, there is still enough of the little boy that romantic swashbuckling wannabeism will always be a factor.

    I'm pretty satisfied with the y-chromosome hand I've been dealt. It's swashbuckling enough.

    There's plenty of that in every y-dna haplogroup to go around, I guess.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    The Celts certainly are the focus of a good deal of wannabeism, surpassed in that only by the Vikings, the Germanic barbarians of the Migration Period, and the Proto-Indo-Europeans.

    When I ordered my first Y-37 test from FTDNA, I was hoping to discover that my y line was Viking. That didn't pan out, so I dropped it pretty quickly in exchange for reality, which is more fun anyway because it is, after all, real.

    My primary interest is in my personal genealogy. I get into the wayback machine only when things are slow on the personal genealogy front.
    Interesting!

    When I started out, I thought I was going to be some version of R-M269 or possibly R-M222. At that time, I believed I was descended from of a Sept attached to the O’Dochartaigh Clann in Ireland. As my surname was one of the ones associated with them. While waiting for my results I notice there was a small subsection (18%) in my surname project, who were I-M253. So I looked it up and thought; hmm, that’s interesting! Well, as you can probably guess, that’s what I turned out to be. So I put months of research back on the shelf and started out in an entirely new direction. And there were more course corrections to come.
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    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Interesting!

    When I started out, I thought I was going to be some version of R-M269 or possibly R-M222. At that time, I believed I was descended from of a Sept attached to the O’Dochartaigh Clann in Ireland. As my surname was one of the ones associated with them. While waiting for my results I notice there was a small subsection (18%) in my surname project, who were I-M253. So I looked it up and thought; hmm, that’s interesting! Well, as you can probably guess, that’s what I turned out to be. So I put months of research back on the shelf and started out in an entirely new direction. And there were more course corrections to come.
    I had no idea what I would be, although I thought some kind of R1b likely, since it is the most common y-dna haplogroup in western Europe. However, at the time I was hoping for what back then was called "I1a" (I-M253), because at that time I1a was regarded by the denizens of Rootsweb as the Viking y-dna haplogroup. Ken Nordtvedt was the preeminent I1a expert on Rootsweb, and I greatly admired his postings.

    When I got my initial "R1b1" result and began reading about R1b (spring 2006) there was a tremendous load of ridiculous crap current involving the Iberian LGM Refuge, the Basques, etc., etc. I believed all that for maybe a day or two. It just never made any sense to me.
     


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    I always felt very Welsh, even though my Mum had a Scottish maiden surname, “Grant” her family way back when were Welsh speakers who just did not pass on that language to her, as time went on I felt more probably Celtic, and especially after living in England in my early 20s for Uni, felt quite removed from them, which probably exacerbated my feeling of Celticness.

    Before testing I felt 100% sure I would be R1b of some subclade, which a few years ago people were saying was a Celtic marker.
    After my initial tests came back I was quite shocked to find out I was R1a, how could this be I thought? Viking, Norman, Slav? So I tested deeper and deeper, down the rabbit hole.
    R1a-Z283, then finally which is the current knowledge of my haplogroup R1a- Z283 - Y128147.

    Current understanding is it could be related to Norman’s coming into Ireland, almost all of the Irish Eustace family seems to have this haplogroup, my 1 SNP match is a McDonald, strangely enough originating in Northern Ireland.

    How it came to be associated with the Normans is the real question, being once western cordered ware, and maybe now an extinct subgroup in its original land.
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