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    I was trying to decipher the post from Helgenes. I understood the first line of Breton because there are words that are similar in Welsh. Then I got stuck. I remembered the automatic translator on http://www.brezhoneg.bzh/
    All 32 3xgreat grandparents were Welsh. Two 6xgreat grandparents from England and a few Irish or English surnames before 1800. Paper trail shows several C11th to C14th Anglo-Norman lines and C11th Norse-Irish lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe Watts View Post
    I was trying to decipher the post from Helgenes. I understood the first line of Breton because there are words that are similar in Welsh. Then I got stuck. I remembered the automatic translator on http://www.brezhoneg.bzh/
    Welsh and Breton are very close for a lot of words.

    Roughly the translation is ( sometimes my breton is close to the spoken language )

    I learned the language of your fathers, I worked as animator in Breton in the 90s, in the country of Abers.
    Now, that I live in Brittany, I would like to talk again and find Native speakers
    Recent Ancestry, full Normand. Known Genealogy 7/8 of the Cotentin peninsula 1/8 region of Coutances. Unfortunately, there are many missing branches on the maternal side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe Watts View Post
    I was trying to decipher the post from Helgenes. I understood the first line of Breton because there are words that are similar in Welsh. Then I got stuck. I remembered the automatic translator on http://www.brezhoneg.bzh/
    I only understood the first line too.
    We are equal!

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    I wonder if someone can help me with deciphering a Welsh baptism entry for 1770. I believe this is my ggg grandfather, Philip Jones, and the parish is Llanvair Discoed, or Llanfair Is Coed as it was then. It took me a long time to track him down. I see the father's name is Thomas and the mother's name looks like Elizabeth with a ligature, rather than "Eliza" as might first appear. But what has been scribbled out under the words "his wife"? The entry is a few lines down on the left-hand page.
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    I cannot decipher the scratched out word, under 'his wife'.
    The record is clearly Philip, son of Thomas Jones and Eliza, his wife, baptised May 20, 1770.
    Hope it's the entry you seek for your ggg grandfather...
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    Quote Originally Posted by slievenamon View Post
    I cannot decipher the scratched out word, under 'his wife'.
    The record is clearly Philip, son of Thomas Jones and Eliza, his wife, baptised May 20, 1770.
    Hope it's the entry you seek for your ggg grandfather...
    Someone who has transcribed many 18th century documents tells me that the scribbled out name is Jones and that the superscript means the first name is indeed Elizabeth. I would never have known the latter if I'd only looked at the family search.org transcription, which records it as Eliza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Someone who has transcribed many 18th century documents tells me that the scribbled out name is Jones...
    If not Jones, it might be Davies?
    All 32 3xgreat grandparents were Welsh. Two 6xgreat grandparents from England and a few Irish or English surnames before 1800. Paper trail shows several C11th to C14th Anglo-Norman lines and C11th Norse-Irish lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe Watts View Post
    If not Jones, it might be Davies?
    Thanks for that. Does anyone know how comprehensive sites such as familysearch and Ancestry are for Wales? For instance I am trying to track down Thomas and Elizabeth Jones, the parents of Philip Jones who was baptised at Llanvair Discoed in 1770. Familysearch has only one Monmouthshire Thomas Jones marrying an Elizabeth between 1730 and 1775, and there are none as far as I can see on Ancestry. Surely that must be way out. I found an article saying all 8 million records since 1538 "are being published" by familysearch. How far down the line are they?
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,250 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Thanks for that. Does anyone know how comprehensive sites such as familysearch and Ancestry are for Wales? For instance I am trying to track down Thomas and Elizabeth Jones, the parents of Philip Jones who was baptised at Llanvair Discoed in 1770. Familysearch has only one Monmouthshire Thomas Jones marrying an Elizabeth between 1730 and 1775, and there are none as far as I can see on Ancestry. Surely that must be way out. I found an article saying all 8 million records since 1538 "are being published" by familysearch. How far down the line are they?
    You will need familysearch if you are researching Welsh ancestry online. It has improved with recent updates but is still patchy in earlier years. In the rural north and west records haven’t survived as well as in other areas so have you checked whether parish records have survived in the mid 1700s in the likely parishes?
    All 32 3xgreat grandparents were Welsh. Two 6xgreat grandparents from England and a few Irish or English surnames before 1800. Paper trail shows several C11th to C14th Anglo-Norman lines and C11th Norse-Irish lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe Watts View Post
    You will need familysearch if you are researching Welsh ancestry online. It has improved with recent updates but is still patchy in earlier years. In the rural north and west records haven’t survived as well as in other areas so have you checked whether parish records have survived in the mid 1700s in the likely parishes?
    If I just search for marriages with no names in "Llanfair Isgoed" on familysearch they start in the 17th century. I guess my Thomas (and/or Elizabeth) were from outside the parish because they don't show up in searches, although other Jones marriages do. It just seems that finding only one Thomas Jones marrying an Elizabeth in the whole of Monmouthshire between 1730 and 1775 points to disappointing gaps in what's available online. Still, I suppose I've been lucky to get back that far given the surname.
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,250 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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