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    Quote Originally Posted by msmarjoribanks View Post
    Are they in the Jones project? Assuming not, worth mentioning it -- we have a Facebook group and email list. Many like surname projects even if they aren't interested in really learning about YDNA. Many Joneses likely think it's not worth bothering, but if they know there's a large and active project maybe it will spark interest.
    I'm not sure. The one Jones who belongs to our project does not allow administrators to peak inside his myFTDNA pages. My first impulse is to jettison people like that, but our group isn't large, so we need all the data we can get.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    My first impulse is to jettison people like that
    Me too

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Me too
    I've got a second cousin once removed in the project who is the same way, but he gave me his password long ago, so it's not really a problem.
     


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    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    I don't know if this is the right thread to mention this in, but way back in 2012 a man with my surname showed up as an exact 12-marker y-dna match for me. Not a huge deal, possibly meaningless, but I've gotten some good matches that began as mere 12-marker jobs. Anyway, I emailed the man more than once, but never got a reply.

    Just a couple of days ago, however, one of my project members got his Family Finder results. Who showed up as a fairly substantial match for him? You guessed it: our old exact 12-marker match buddy. I remembered the name because his first and middle names are somewhat unusual for an American.

    So this morning I decided like O.J. Simpson to take another stab at it and launched yet another email plea, this time including the information about the Family Finder match.

    We'll see if anything comes of it.
     


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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
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    Red Hair Carrier:
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    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I don't know if this is the right thread to mention this in, but way back in 2012 a man with my surname showed up as an exact 12-marker y-dna match for me. Not a huge deal, possibly meaningless, but I've gotten some good matches that began as mere 12-marker jobs. Anyway, I emailed the man more than once, but never got a reply.

    Just a couple of days ago, however, one of my project members got his Family Finder results. Who showed up as a fairly substantial match for him? You guessed it: our old exact 12-marker match buddy. I remembered the name because his first and middle names are somewhat unusual for an American.

    So this morning I decided like O.J. Simpson to take another stab at it and launched yet another email plea, this time including the information about the Family Finder match.

    We'll see if anything comes of it.
    Has he added a tree or MDKA to his FTDNA page ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I don't know if this is the right thread to mention this in, but way back in 2012 a man with my surname showed up as an exact 12-marker y-dna match for me. Not a huge deal, possibly meaningless, but I've gotten some good matches that began as mere 12-marker jobs. Anyway, I emailed the man more than once, but never got a reply.

    Just a couple of days ago, however, one of my project members got his Family Finder results. Who showed up as a fairly substantial match for him? You guessed it: our old exact 12-marker match buddy. I remembered the name because his first and middle names are somewhat unusual for an American.

    So this morning I decided like O.J. Simpson to take another stab at it and launched yet another email plea, this time including the information about the Family Finder match.

    We'll see if anything comes of it.
    Just curious how many 37, 67, 111 matches you have?
    Y-DNA R-Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    Ancestry: 37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French & Dutch, 1% India

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Just curious how many 37, 67, 111 matches you have?
    Here are the stats:

    37 markers: 39 matches

    67 markers: 27 matches

    111 markers: 17 matches

    Of those, 14 at 37 markers share my surname; 10 at 67 markers share my surname; and 9 at 111 share my surname. Some of those at 37 and 67 would still match me at 111, but they haven't tested that far; my two sons, for example, the oldest of whom has only gone as far as 37 markers, and the youngest, who has gone to 67.

    I think our immigrant Stephens/Stevens ancestor was pretty prolific. At least his sons were. Over the years since the spring of 2006, when I got my initial Y-37 results, Stephens/Stevens matches have popped up from time to time. Some of them I recruited because I am driven to be proactive, but most have just come in on their own. I've made what I consider some pretty close friends this way, even among guys who pretty obviously are at the opposite end of the political/philosophical spectrum from me.

    Of course, it helps that I am a classical liberal/libertarian. I really believe people ought to be allowed to think what they want to think.

    Oh, here's another point. My cluster has a tmrca that takes us back to not too long before surnames became fixed in Wales. So we're all descended from some prolific Welshman who had a whole bunch of sons who had sons whose sons took various Welsh patronymics that eventually evolved into a number of different fixed surnames, based on who the luck of the draw made the last male progenitor as surnames became fixed.
    Last edited by rms2; 12-23-2018 at 10:46 PM.
     


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    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Has he added a tree or MDKA to his FTDNA page ?
    No, unfortunately.
     


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    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    How many of those did you encourage to test, if any?

    My dad currently has 2 matches at 67 (6 and 7 GD, and they have different versions of the same surname, but a different one than my father's, although also a patronymic). (Although these are distant, they might be worth testing given the low numbers of DF63, and that they are likely to be DF63, although who knows.)

    He has 3 37 matches, at 0, 2, and 3 GD. The 0 is in a surname project (no matches, and none of the surnames of the 37 matches are the same as my dad's or as the 67-marker matches), and has no matches in that project.

    Ideas in how to progress? I would like to convince the 37 matches to test further, but none have responded to my suggestions. I've thought about getting my English cousins to test if I can find them, but am not sure what that would get me. I can find my US cousins (2nd or 3rd of mine), but not sure the point/what that would achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msmarjoribanks View Post
    How many of those did you encourage to test, if any?

    My dad currently has 2 matches at 67 (6 and 7 GD, and they have different versions of the same surname, but a different one than my father's, although also a patronymic). (Although these are distant, they might be worth testing given the low numbers of DF63, and that they are likely to be DF63, although who knows.)

    He has 3 37 matches, at 0, 2, and 3 GD. The 0 is in a surname project (no matches, and none of the surnames of the 37 matches are the same as my dad's or as the 67-marker matches), and has no matches in that project.

    Ideas in how to progress? I would like to convince the 37 matches to test further, but none have responded to my suggestions. I've thought about getting my English cousins to test if I can find them, but am not sure what that would get me. I can find my US cousins (2nd or 3rd of mine), but not sure the point/what that would achieve.
    I wonder the same after testing my late mother's Jones line (my grandfather's) when I found her first cousin by matching him on Gedmatch and MyHeritage. (I posted on it earlier.) The YSEQ test I got for him showed they are L371 > BY11922 - so very Welsh - but I don't know how to proceed or whether there's anything more to be gained.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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