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  1. #631
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I had no idea what I would be, although I thought some kind of R1b likely, since it is the most common y-dna haplogroup in western Europe. However, at the time I was hoping for what back then was called "I1a" (I-M253), because at that time I1a was regarded by the denizens of Rootsweb as the Viking y-dna haplogroup. Ken Nordtvedt was the preeminent I1a expert on Rootsweb, and I greatly admired his postings.

    When I got my initial "R1b1" result and began reading about R1b (spring 2006) there was a tremendous load of ridiculous crap current involving the Iberian LGM Refuge, the Basques, etc., etc. I believed all that for maybe a day or two. It just never made any sense to me.
    I expected to be R1b too and knew nothing about I1 then. I wrote to Ken Nordtvedt, who was still active when I got my initial I-M253 result on 23andme and asked him whether I could ever hope to discriminate and know whether my first paternal forefather in this country was a Danish Viking or an Anglo-Saxon or other. He wisely said that was unlikely, which is where I am today.
    Returning to Wales, I took my family and some friends to Llangollen two days ago. We walked up to the ruined castle of Dinas Bran. I hadn't been there for 25 years but told them that Llangollen holds everything that's most special about Wales in one small place: mountains, ruins, a beautiful river and a pretty town. I'm pleased to say that it exceeded all our expectations.
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    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    Aren't the R1a MacDonalds supposed to be the descendants of Somerled?
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Aren't the R1a MacDonalds supposed to be the descendants of Somerled?
    Yeah, but they go down stream of R-Z284,and likely originating in Norway, my SNP match “my McDonald”, and I and the Irish Eustace, do not, we have our very own branch downstream of R-Z283.
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    I know of at least two y haplogroup I lines in my pedigree. My third great grandfather Abner Standish Washburn was I-M253. I know that from communicating with cousins on that line. I have not checked their project recently to find out if they have gone any further than I-M253 in SNP testing.

    My fourth great grandfather Leonard Stutts, son of the immigrant Jacob Stutz from Switzerland, was I-M170. I know that from communicating with a Stutts cousin who is a pretty good Ancestry DNA match for me. He hasn't gotten any further than I-M170 because he tested with the old Genographic Project, and that's as far as they took things back when he tested.
     


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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
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    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I had no idea what I would be, although I thought some kind of R1b likely, since it is the most common y-dna haplogroup in western Europe. However, at the time I was hoping for what back then was called "I1a" (I-M253), because at that time I1a was regarded by the denizens of Rootsweb as the Viking y-dna haplogroup. Ken Nordtvedt was the preeminent I1a expert on Rootsweb, and I greatly admired his postings.

    When I got my initial "R1b1" result and began reading about R1b (spring 2006) there was a tremendous load of ridiculous crap current involving the Iberian LGM Refuge, the Basques, etc., etc. I believed all that for maybe a day or two. It just never made any sense to me.
    My surname is a old Gaelic name so I naturally (and mistakenly) assumed my Haplogroup was going to reflect the origins of my surname. Little did I know. Coincidentally, I also contacted Nordtvedt after I got my results and he was very helpful. He told me my markers pointed towards a Germanic branch of I1 and that my ancestors probably came from the coastal regions around Southern Denmark, North Western Germany and Frisia and most likely arrived in the Isles with the Anglo Saxons. When I asked him how they could’ve ended up in Galloway, Scotland, he told me the Angles had a significant impact on that area and that many Anglo Saxons later fled into Scotland during the Norman Conquest. Unfortunately, he dropped from the scene soon thereafter and presumably entered into retirement. Like you, I searched through Rootsweb and read everything I could find written by him. He’s an interesting fellow and I wish him well!
    Last edited by JMcB; 08-14-2019 at 12:06 AM.
    Paper Trail: 43.8% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >A13252/YSEQ (circa 1630 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I know of at least two y haplogroup I lines in my pedigree. My third great grandfather Abner Standish Washburn was I-M253. I know that from communicating with cousins on that line. I have not checked their project recently to find out if they have gone any further than I-M253 in SNP testing . . .
    I just took a peek. Looks like they've gotten as far as I-BY40607. Anyone know much about that one, whether it's Anglo-Saxon or Viking?
     


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    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    My surname is a old Gaelic name so I naturally (and mistakenly) assumed my Haplogroup was going reflect the origins of my surname. Little did I know. Coincidentally, I also contacted Nordtvedt after I got my results and he was very helpful. He told me my markers pointed towards a Germanic branch of I1 and that my ancestors probably came from the coastal regions of Southern Denmark, North Western Germany and Frisia and most likely arrived in the Isles with the Anglo Saxons. When I asked him how they could’ve ended up in Galloway, Scotland, he told me the Angles had a significant impact on that area and that many Anglo Saxons later fled into Scotland during the Norman Conquest. Unfortunately, he dropped from the scene soon thereafter and presumably entered into retirement. Like you, I searched through Rootsweb and read everything I could find written by him. He’s an interesting fellow and I wish him well!
    I agree. Ken Nordtvedt is a genius and an all-round great guy. Once I found out I was R1b I started wishing he was R1b, too. We never had anyone of his caliber, and we still don't.
     


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    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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    Sorry for yet another rapid-fire post.

    I've mentioned this before, but I really enjoy finding out the y-dna haplogroups of my ancestors not on my own y-dna line. I kind of feel like I own those haplogroups, as well. After all, those men are my ancestors, too.

    So far, as I mentioned, I know of two y-haplogroup I lines. I also know that one of my second great grandfathers (surname Holmes) was E-V13.

    I'll continue to collect as many of them as I can.
     


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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I just took a peek. Looks like they've gotten as far as I-BY40607. Anyone know much about that one, whether it's Anglo-Saxon or Viking?
    Can you tell us the main upstream SNPs?
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Can you tell us the main upstream SNPs?
    Here's the complete pedigree according to Genetic Homeland:

    M253>DF29>S243>BY151>L849>S2078>S2077>Y6375>Y6384> Y13945>BY40787>BY40607.

    Hope I didn't screw any of that up.
     


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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
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    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1a

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