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    Quote Originally Posted by miiser View Post
    From what I can tell, this is just someone's take on the Rathlin bodies, which have already been discussed at length on this forum. Whether you call them Celtic or not depends entirely on how you define the word "Celtic".
    Exactly. For those who continue to insist that the Celts arrived in Ireland in the Iron Age, the Rathlin bones cannot be Celtic. If on the other hand we have a bit of sense, we realise that the first arrival of something we could classify as a Celtic language is much more likely to have arrived with Bell Beaker people.

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    Sorry Jean a silly mistake. I do have your book and have read it 2x at least. I recommend it to every one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.D. View Post
    Sorry Jean a silly mistake. I do have your book and have read it 2x at least. I recommend it to every one.
    That's OK. I guessed that you had it on your shelf next to Jim Mallory's book and the titles just blurred.

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    JeanM, No actually one of the kids was going on about that TV 'Blood of the Irish' and 'Iron age Celtic' invasions. That's the fiction section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    Exactly. For those who continue to insist that the Celts arrived in Ireland in the Iron Age, the Rathlin bones cannot be Celtic. If on the other hand we have a bit of sense, we realise that the first arrival of something we could classify as a Celtic language is much more likely to have arrived with Bell Beaker people.
    Even though there is nothing new in the article, the writer actually does a pretty good job of succinctly summarizing the issues involved in defining "Celtic" and explaining why it is so hotly debated. For people that are new to the topic, it's worth a read just for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtarion View Post
    A man’s discovery of bones under his pub could forever change what we know about the Irish...
    I've just discovered who actually wrote this piece. It is by Peter Whoriskey in The Washington Post:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...out-the-irish/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    I've just discovered who actually wrote this piece. It is by Peter Whoriskey in The Washington Post:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...out-the-irish/
    Now that's lot better and it's got pics:

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    I know the "Iron Age Celts" thing was popular, but one would think more people would be familiar with the idea that early Celtic arrived in Britain and Ireland with the Bell Beaker people. It's not like it's a new idea. It was suggested by Abercromby and Hubert early in the 20th century, and Dillon and Chadwick put it forward again in their book, The Celtic Realms, in 1967.

    This article makes it sound as if finding out that the Iron Age invaders theory was wrong is tantamount to finding out that there were no Celts in Britain and Ireland, which, of course, is utter baloney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I know the "Iron Age Celts" thing was popular, but one would think more people would be familiar with the idea that early Celtic arrived in Britain and Ireland with the Bell Beaker people. It's not like it's a new idea. It was suggested by Abercromby and Hubert early in the 20th century, and Dillon and Chadwick put it forward again in their book, The Celtic Realms, in 1967.

    This article makes it sound as if finding out that the Iron Age invaders theory was wrong is tantamount to finding out that there were no Celts in Britain and Ireland, which, of course, is utter baloney.
    True. Hubert, for his time, was superb.

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    I think some form of Proto-IE definetly arrived with Bell Beaker, but I think it's probably too early for differentiation into Proto-Celtic, the fact that we see non Celtic Indo-European languages surviving in Bell Beaker zone up till quite late (Lusitanian for example, or arguments about word Partraige/Partan pointing at non-Celtic language surviving in Ireland up until 6th century) makes me think that Proto-Celtic is probably more of a language of mid/Late bronze age. (basically arose in successors to Bell Beaker period)
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