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    Exclamation U152 > L2 > FGC13620

    In the U152 subclades project we find the group FGC13620 with kit. no.N119885 Giovanni Domenicus Rabai.

    Vadim Urasin from YFull has confirmed to me that Rabai is FGC13620- with ancestral C at ChrY:7810808.

    Despite this, Rabai has tested positive for 8389832 (BY3478) which is downstream of FGC13620.

    Other FGC13620+ individuals named Wright and Williams are positive for 8389832 (BY3478).

    There must be an explanation.

    To complicate matters even further:

    Alex Williamson from the Big Tree project found a new SNP R-~22429690-A-C that Rabai (N119885), Arias (N60267) and Sgriccia (N21805) share.

    Needless to say, Alex Williamson confirmed that all three of these kits were indeed negative for FGC13620 (7810808).

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    Francalacci et al. 2013 sample 998 from Sardinia (ERS257008) is positive for 23073902 (A/T) known now as Y20253 by YFull. Other samples that are positive for this SNP are all FGC13620+ and include Rabai (N119885), Walker (N34331), Williams (24268) and Wright (22677).

    The YFull tree does not have FGC13620 as a branch from U152 > L2 > FGC13620 as is to be found in the U152 Subclades project at FTDNA. In fact, YFull has Y20253 (23073902 A-T) branching from U152 > L2 > Y20253. link: https://yfull.com/tree/R-L2/

    Vadim Urasin confirmed to me that this was accurate and that Rabai (N119885 FTDNA) (YF04567 YFull) was FGC13620- after having gone through his BAM file. This contradicts the U152 subclades project. link: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    The YFull tree may be accurate as ERS257008 from Sardinia (Francalacci et al. 2013) is also FGC13620- suggesting that Y20253 is upstream from FGC13620.

    The problem is that there are two kits, Armenis (169458) and Cognevich (N28331) that are FGC13620+ and negative for Y20253 making the location of Y20253 a mystery.
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    Good morning,

    According FTDNA, I'm L2> BY3485> BY3478, attached image. I do not know why I appear as FGC13620 in https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    Nevertheless, in https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-haplotree . There is no reference to FGC13620. Neither positive and negative. I guess this branch, for lack of data, still being built.

    Regards

    David Rabai (Rabarius)

    L2_BY3485_BY3478.jpg
    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ BY4245+ BY3485+ BY3478+ , Giovanni Domenicus Rabai, b. 1609, Savona, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H65, María García Martínez, b. 1746, Cuenca, Spain

    Manuel David Rabaez 1974, Manuel Rabaez 1948, Manuel Rabaez 1912, Antonio Rabay 1868, Antonio Rabay 1833, Manuel Rabay 1791, Manuel Rabay 1764, Pedro Rabai 1727, Pedro Joseph Rabai 1691, Giovanni Battista Rabai 1647, Jo. Domenicus Rabai 1609, Pietrus Rabai (work in progress...)

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    My hypothesis is

    L2
    |______ BY3504, BY3485
    ............|____________________ BY3478, BY3484
    .................................................. .......................|____________________ FGC13620
    .................................................. .................................................. ..........|_______________________ FGC13616
    .................................................. .................................................. ..........|_______________________ BY3481, BY3505, BY3501


    Regards

    David
    Last edited by Ravai; 03-27-2016 at 08:17 AM.
    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ BY4245+ BY3485+ BY3478+ , Giovanni Domenicus Rabai, b. 1609, Savona, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H65, María García Martínez, b. 1746, Cuenca, Spain

    Manuel David Rabaez 1974, Manuel Rabaez 1948, Manuel Rabaez 1912, Antonio Rabay 1868, Antonio Rabay 1833, Manuel Rabay 1791, Manuel Rabay 1764, Pedro Rabai 1727, Pedro Joseph Rabai 1691, Giovanni Battista Rabai 1647, Jo. Domenicus Rabai 1609, Pietrus Rabai (work in progress...)

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    L2
    |__BY3504 (Walker)
    .....|_____BY3478 (Rabai, Sardinian sample 998)
    ...............|______FGC13620
    ..........................|___FGC13616 (Armenis, Cognevic)
    ..........................|___BY3481 (Williams, Wright)

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    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ BY4245+ BY3485+ BY3478+ , Giovanni Domenicus Rabai, b. 1609, Savona, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H65, María García Martínez, b. 1746, Cuenca, Spain

    Manuel David Rabaez 1974, Manuel Rabaez 1948, Manuel Rabaez 1912, Antonio Rabay 1868, Antonio Rabay 1833, Manuel Rabay 1791, Manuel Rabay 1764, Pedro Rabai 1727, Pedro Joseph Rabai 1691, Giovanni Battista Rabai 1647, Jo. Domenicus Rabai 1609, Pietrus Rabai (work in progress...)

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    BY3478 = 8389832 (C/T) [Rabai (N119885), Williams (24268) and Wright (22677)]

    R-Y20253 = 23073902 (A/T) [sample 998 from Sardinia (ERS257008), Rabai (N119885)]

    R-~22429690 (A-C) [Sgriccia (N21805), Rabai (N119885), Arias (N60267), Miller (265523)]

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    Sardiniam Sample is also positive for BY3478

    Regards
    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ BY4245+ BY3485+ BY3478+ , Giovanni Domenicus Rabai, b. 1609, Savona, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H65, María García Martínez, b. 1746, Cuenca, Spain

    Manuel David Rabaez 1974, Manuel Rabaez 1948, Manuel Rabaez 1912, Antonio Rabay 1868, Antonio Rabay 1833, Manuel Rabay 1791, Manuel Rabay 1764, Pedro Rabai 1727, Pedro Joseph Rabai 1691, Giovanni Battista Rabai 1647, Jo. Domenicus Rabai 1609, Pietrus Rabai (work in progress...)

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    The new R1b-L2 SNP Pack from FTDNA is now selling for $99.

    All members of this R1b-L2 branch should consider this test as it provides very good value for money for what is currently available on the market.

    You need to go to your myFTDNA account, click on the blue "Upgrade" at the top and then click on the blue "Buy Now" in the "Advanced Tests" box. On the "Select a Product" screen, select "SNP Pack" and then a list will pop up. Click on any pack to see what's in it.

    This test includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
    U152, L2, Z49, Z367, L196, PF7610, CTS10009, CTS3080, CTS5689, A6454, BY2823, DF110, FGC10516, FGC22501, FGC5301, FGC5344, L408, PF6658, S1567, DF103, FGC14641, L199, FGC22538, FGC22516, FGC22528, FGC22533, FGC22500, FGC22503, FGC22512, FGC22513, A1704, A1706, A1717, A1722, A6455, BY1020, BY1145, BY2381, BY2825, BY2826, BY3477, BY3478, BY3479, BY3480, BY3481, BY3482, BY3483, BY3484, BY3485, BY3486, BY3490, BY3491, BY3492, BY3493, BY3496, BY3497, BY3501, BY3503, BY3504, BY3505, BY3506, BY3507, BY3508, BY3509, BY3510, BY3512, BY3513, BY3514, BY771, BY806, BY831, FGC13617, FGC32882, FGC36273, FGC4166, FGC4177, FGC4183, FGC4193, FGC4213, FGC5303, FGC5306, FGC5308, FGC8154, FGC8158, FGC8178, L409, PF7609, PH3790, PR5365, S1555, S1561, S1566, S1569, S1570, S1573, S18462, Y11667, Y11931, Y11932, Y11933, Y3960, Y3961, Y3964, Y6763, Z7054

    This test also includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree but are tested for in this test:
    BY2895, FGC13620, FGC5338, FGC5345, FGC5356, BY2824, BY3487, BY3489, BY3498, BY3499, BY3500, BY3502, BY3511, FGC10525, FGC10536, FGC10543, FGC13619, FGC13621, FGC13623, FGC29428, FGC29470, FGC4220, PF7599, PF7603, PF7604, PF7605, Y11232

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenis View Post
    The new R1b-L2 SNP Pack from FTDNA is now selling for $99.

    All members of this R1b-L2 branch should consider this test...
    All,
    Please take the time to review the L2 SNP list before you order. For example, if you already know you are Z49 then don't order this test. There are no SNPs below Z49 on the L2 SNP pack. Instead wait to order the Z49 SNP pack.

    I haven't reviewed the other L2 branches' SNPs in the pack, but you would be well advised to do so before you order.

    Otherwise you may be wasting your money.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 04-16-2016 at 05:02 PM.
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    Useful to know. Seeing as I had no call on either z49 or df27 (which I now know is not a negative finding unlike as I was first told!). Looks like my best bet would be to stick to big y? Better for the wider research to..

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