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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungene View Post
    Is it time to hit the paper trail?
    Perhaps it is, though I've no idea where to start yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    Perhaps it is, though I've no idea where to start yet.
    You look to be pretty plugged-in and web-savvy. So if you don't know where to start, something tells me that the information you'd be looking for can't be easy to find.
    Aside for all the obvious web searches you could do, there are also these sources, which I have not looked into myself, but they are serious:

    This is a site about Romanian archives, for archivists:
    ARHIVA GENEALOGICĂ VIRTUALĂ - kosson

    http://www.kosson.ro/arhive-si-arhivstica

    This is a professional genealogist with a PhD in history:
    Dr. Veaceslav Stavila
    http://tisa.nistru-prut.info/?go=find&page=romania&l=M
    http://romania.nistru-prut.info/index.php
    http://nistru-prut.info

    He seems to specialize in northeast Romania and Moldova.
    He provides a huge list of surnames for both Romanians and Moldovans. Just browsing through the list of surnames (which are linked to counties) is interesting. You might check to see if any family surnames (in the right counties) show up.

    http://nistru-prut.info includes records of individuals buried in Moldovan cemeteries up to the first half of the 19th century. You never know if you might find something interesting:
    "Vizitaţi
    Necropola Basarabiei pentru a afla la ce vīrstă şi din ce cauză au decedat strămoşii Dvs. īn prima jumătate a secolului al XIX-lea."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungene View Post
    You look to be pretty plugged-in and web-savvy. So if you don't know where to start, something tells me that the information you'd be looking for can't be easy to find.
    Aside for all the obvious web searches you could do, there are also these sources, which I have not looked into myself, but they are serious:

    This is a site about Romanian archives, for archivists:
    ARHIVA GENEALOGICĂ VIRTUALĂ - kosson

    http://www.kosson.ro/arhive-si-arhivstica

    This is a professional genealogist with a PhD in history:
    Dr. Veaceslav Stavila
    http://tisa.nistru-prut.info/?go=find&page=romania&l=M
    http://romania.nistru-prut.info/index.php
    http://nistru-prut.info

    He seems to specialize in northeast Romania and Moldova.
    He provides a huge list of surnames for both Romanians and Moldovans. Just browsing through the list of surnames (which are linked to counties) is interesting. You might check to see if any family surnames (in the right counties) show up.

    http://nistru-prut.info includes records of individuals buried in Moldovan cemeteries up to the first half of the 19th century. You never know if you might find something interesting:
    "Vizitaţi
    Necropola Basarabiei pentru a afla la ce vīrstă şi din ce cauză au decedat strămoşii Dvs. īn prima jumătate a secolului al XIX-lea."
    Thanks, I reached out to him and am waiting for the reply.
    Known ancestry: 1/2 Romanian Northeast + 1/4 Romanian Southeast + 1/4 Romanian Bukovina Ukraine
    23andme: 53.5% South Euro (41.8% Balkan), 22.4% East Euro, 7.3% Northwest Euro, 0.3% Ashkenazi, 14.7% Broadly Euro, 1.8% East Asian
    MyHeritage: 92.2% Balkan, 5.8% English, 1.1% Eskimo, 0.9% Japanese
    FTDNA: 45% Southeast Euro, 45% East Euro, 4% British Isles, 3% West Middle East, 2% NE Asia
    Global 25: 44.2% Balkans Neolithic, 43.4% Yamnaya Samara, 9% Iron Gates HG, 3.4% Han

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    Wow, that was quick.

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    These results are great! Cant wait to go home and compare my own!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupul View Post
    These results are great! Cant wait to go home and compare my own!
    It would be nice to put your 23andme results here. If you want to make comparative comments (compare your 23andme with Global 25, for instance) this would also be a good place to post them. Otherwise, there is another thread for calculator results other than 23andme. We put these threads in the international section in case someone wants to write in Romanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupul View Post
    These results are great! Cant wait to go home and compare my own!
    Also, if you want more discussion of your 23andme results, there are threads in the commercial calculators fora:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....sition-Results
    Last edited by Fungene; 06-18-2018 at 09:56 PM.

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    Hello, here are my results. My family and I are all from Western Romania and we were born and have been living here for at least 200 years (could be much longer than that though). Both sides of my parents come from areas that are < 100 km apart. I hope this information can be of some use to someone. Feel free to include this information in any data sets. My Y-dna haplogroup is J2a1b1 (J-m92) and my mtdna is D5a2d1.

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    Great! Thanks for posting. Hope more visitors decide to sign up.
    Nice results. That high Southern European, including Balkan as the largest chunk in that category, looks very typical. I find that 23andme results are best viewed at the 60-70% confidence level. That's what best matches my known ancestry.
    Tell us (or show us) what you think of your results at that level of confidence.
    So, were you surprised by your 23andme Ancestry Composition? (I'd look at the dots just as a secondary distraction, for all the reasons people in various threads have brought up.)
    Someone had interesting comments on your Y. That's surely worth looking into. Your mtDNA haplogroup is rare.
    Cocos et al. 2017. Genetic affinities... BMC Genetics has some useful information in the supplements (it's often the supplements that are the most interesting parts of an article.) mtDNA D occurs in only 3 out of 764 Romanians sampled from all parts of the country. A D4k from Constanta, Dobruja (not unexpected, given recent Crimean Tatar population in Dobruja; I'm just astonished there isn't more); a D1f from Cluj, and a D4 from Hunedoara, both in Transylvania. That's 0.39% of the samples. You made it into that select club!
    In case you're wondering, there is also one A1a from Harghita, Transylvania and one C4e from Brasov, Transylvania. So, 0.65% of mtDNA in this recent sample is Asian. Rare is always awesome. Looks like it shows up Transylvania, not Muntenia or Moldavia.
    Last edited by Fungene; 06-19-2018 at 03:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungene View Post
    Tell us (or show us) what you think of your results at that level of confidence.
    westernRomanianConfidenceLevels.jpg

    As you can see, even with high confidence levels the Balkan blood is strongly there but the Eastern European still lingers as well! In regards to my results, I was pretty sure I would come up as a big chunk of Romanian and a small chunk of something else either Slavic/Nordic (Because my father's side all have very blue eyes, though I know genotype and phenotype don't always correlate but I still had a hunch ). It is funny though because my mother's side all have more olive/tan skin and nearly black hair so my girlfriend who is also Romanian thought that we might be gypsies but it turns out that I don't have any Indian DNA and instead the dark features comes from having high Mediterranean influences in my DNA instead (as you might have seen from my reply in the other thread, I always pull significantly higher traces of Western Mediterranean than average Romanians,Serbians, etc). In the end my girlfriend was pretty surprised to see how extremely Romanian I turned out to be (even more so than her haha).

    In regards to my Y-DNA, yes I received some great info on it and I am still piecing together the map of how a J2 could have gotten to where I am (though it's not all that rare to be a J2 in Romania). I am sure that the Gen 2.0 test my father and I took, along with some other DNA results I made him take will reveal more of the path my ancestors "might" have taken to get here. And about the mtDNA that is really spectacular, I had no idea about anything of what you said and I am really appreciative for that information that you gave me! You must be very skilled at finding things like that because that is very specific, so thank you Fungene! All I read about the D haplogroup is that it originated somewhere in Asia so it must have been a long journey for my mother's ancestors to get to where we are haha. All in all, this has been a very wonderful and eye-opening journey and I'm glad to have finally gotten some clarity with fairly good confidence in my roots and where my ancestors might have come from. You know in European families when you ask your parents/grandparents where we came from every one of them want to be the birthplace of civilization and "blah blah blah" but I just wanted to find my roots and I don't care about being the center of the world. Being a Roman-Daco/Thraco remnant with some Slavic mixed in sounds pretty cool to me! I look forward to more samples coming out and especially ancient samples to reveal more about all of our roots!

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