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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimean View Post
    I wondered the MDLP K23 admixture results.
    I can only share mine at the moment, as I don't have access to the raw data of the ones I've posted.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.04
    2 Caucasian 29.52
    3 European_Early_Farmers 18
    4 Near_East 4.1
    5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.82
    6 South_Central_Asian 3.42
    7 Tungus-Altaic 1.57
    8 North_African 1.29
    9 South_East_Asian 1.11
    10 Arctic 0.89
    11 Australoid 0.38
    12 East_Siberian 0.29
    13 Melano_Polynesian 0.28
    14 Archaic_Human 0.15
    15 Austronesian 0.1
    16 Archaic_African 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 3.52
    2 Hungarian ( ) 3.88
    3 Slovenian ( ) 3.89
    4 Czech ( ) 5.29
    5 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.01
    6 Slovak ( ) 6.23
    7 Austrian ( ) 6.67
    8 Croat ( ) 6.99
    9 Serb_BH ( ) 7.13
    10 Bosnian ( ) 7.25
    11 Croat_BH ( ) 8.02
    12 Montenegrian ( ) 8.08
    13 Ukrainian_West ( ) 8.11
    14 Kashub ( ) 8.16
    15 Sorb ( ) 9.18
    16 German ( ) 9.65
    17 German_East ( ) 10.4
    18 Bulgarian ( ) 10.69
    19 Macedonian ( ) 10.8
    20 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 11.15

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 51.7% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 48.3% Finn_West ( ) @ 2.06
    2 53.3% Finn_West ( ) + 46.7% Central_Greek ( ) @ 2.19
    3 50.5% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 49.5% Finn_West ( ) @ 2.19
    4 58.1% Russian-West ( ) + 41.9% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 2.19
    5 58.2% Macedonian ( ) + 41.8% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 2.22
    6 50.4% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 49.6% Finn_West ( ) @ 2.25
    7 63.1% German ( ) + 36.9% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 2.3
    8 51.4% Mordovian ( ) + 48.6% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 2.33
    9 75.9% Austrian ( ) + 24.1% Turk_Aydin ( ) @ 2.34
    10 50.5% Finn_West ( ) + 49.5% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 2.34
    11 70.1% German ( ) + 29.9% Greek_Phokaia ( ) @ 2.36
    12 56.1% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) + 43.9% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 2.36
    13 69% Montenegrian ( ) + 31% Finn_West ( ) @ 2.37
    14 67.7% German ( ) + 32.3% Central_Greek ( ) @ 2.38
    15 54.2% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 45.8% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 2.39
    16 56.4% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) + 43.6% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 2.41
    17 65.5% Montenegrian ( ) + 34.5% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 2.41
    18 64.3% German ( ) + 35.7% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 2.44
    19 59.7% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 40.3% Finnish_FIN ( ) @ 2.46
    20 50.1% Mordovian ( ) + 49.9% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 2.47
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    18. Western Romania Y-DNA: R1a1a, mtDNA: H




    19. Southern Romania Y-DNA: N1c1, mtDNA: H5b




    20. Eastern Romania Y-DNA: E1b1b1a2, mtDNA: X2




    21. Soutern Romania Y-DNA: R1b1b2a1a1, mtDNA: J1c



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    22. Southern Romania Y-DNA: R1b1b2, mtDNA: H5





    23. Western Romania Y-DNA: I2a1b, mtDNA: H





    24. Eastern Romania (50% Romanian, 50% Ruthenian (Ukrainian from Romania)) Y-DNA: R1a1a, mtDNA: J1c





    25. Eastern Romania (Ruthenian) Y-DNA: N/A, mtDNA: H9a





    26. Southern Romania Y-DNA: R1a1a, mtDNA: U5a2b





    27. Southern Romania Y-DNA: R1b1b2a, mtDNA: D4e1





    28. Southern Romania Y-DNA: J2, mtDNA: H1b



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    Thanks for all of those.

    Given the country's history, you would not be surprised to see those consistent low levels of Middle East/African, Ashkenazi, German, and Asian, particularly Mongolian, general East Asian, and Yakut, among Romanians. But the ones specifically designated Japanese are a bit surprising, no?
     

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    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    Thanks for all of those.

    Given the country's history, you would not be surprised to see those consistent low levels of Middle East/African, Ashkenazi, German, and Asian, particularly Mongolian, general East Asian, and Yakut, among Romanians. But the ones specifically designated Japanese are a bit surprising, no?
    No, I'm not surprised at all. In fact it goes to support the thesis that Romanians have not come from further down South, but where influenced by the early medieval migrations that occured on the territory of Romania. As the Caucasus people usually score almost pure Middle East/African, 23andme didn't really bother including them in a separate category, I suppose that this component in Romanians indicates traces of Avar and Alan admixture. The East Asian bit clearly derives from Cumans (Pechenegs), Mongolians, Huns, Tatars and all the other Turkics that conquered or settled in.

    The Japanese component is as surprising as my 0.8% of Yakut ancestry (they live near the Sea of Ohotsk and the Lena River). I'm guessing that 23andme has trouble differentiating between the East Asian segments, just as it happens in the case of Western Europeans, where French & German and British & Irish usually overlaps unexpectedly.

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    Many Europeans have low levels of Yakut, so it seems to be a surrogate for something else that is at high levels in Yakut but which ultimately comes from some other part of (perhaps central rather than northeast) Eurasia. The link to various Steppe peoples all makes perfect sense as you mention: I just haven't seen Japanese in any other West Eurasians' kits, though.
     

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    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

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    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    29. Eastern Romania Y-DNA: E1b1b1a2, mtDNA: H7





    30. Southern Romania Y-DNA: L1, mtDNA: K1c1





    31. Western Romania Y-DNA: R1a1a, mtDNA: J1c





    32. Southern Romania Y-DNA: R1a1a, mtDNA: H





    33. Southern Romania Y-DNA: G2a5, mtDNA: H




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    It would be good if you made a spreadsheet from the data, I share with a bunch of Romani and Romanians DNA cousins etc, could add the data to the collection, but I need to be sure that I dont duplicate results you have already listed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    It would be good if you made a spreadsheet from the data, I share with a bunch of Romani and Romanians DNA cousins etc, could add the data to the collection, but I need to be sure that I dont duplicate results you have already listed...
    I could actually use your Romanian results, including those of Romanis from Romania. Therefore, we can both benefit from exchanging info.
    Let me know which format you use for your spreadsheet, either here or via PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    I could actually use your Romanian results, including those of Romanis from Romania. Therefore, we can both benefit from exchanging info.
    Let me know which format you use for your spreadsheet, either here or via PM.
    I dont have a spreadsheet at the moment, I was hoping you would create one for Romania in general rather than rely on screenshots etc...Then I could input my data and collaborate with you to avoid duplicate entries..

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