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    The value of a 12 marker STR test largely depends on how common or rare the 12 marker haplotype is. I happen to have a number of rare marker values in the first 12, so have only two exact matches, and one is a known relation. If one has a very common 12 marker haplotype, like the R1b WAMH, the test will show an enormous number of matches, many of whom aren't connected within a span of several thousand years.

    Another advantage of the 12 marker test is that FTDNA is able to predict from it a basic haplogroup, which is very useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen1986 View Post
    That's a good point. For myself, I have very few Smith matches at any level of yDNA testing.
    I feel you: the curse of "Smith."
     

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    I wish FTDNA could bring down the cost of its 111-marker test. Just dreaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    One of my best 111-marker matches started out as an exact 12-marker match (and he does not share my surname). I watch for them, and if they look good, I contact them and try to get them to upgrade. If the match has my surname, I will offer to pay for the upgrade if I can't talk him/her into springing for it him/herself.
    I have the opposite experience. 12 markers matches mean nothing to my father's line. My best match at 111 is a GD of 6 but he is GD of 2 from me at 12. So far in my 1000 year old subclade, I am the only person with both my off-modal values on my first 12. They must be very recent.

    On the other hand, on one grandmother's father line I get a match at 12 marker notification email almost every couple of days.

    I always look at every haplotype of a person with my surname or a variant, but I pretty much just ignore 12 markers and shoot for 37 to even get in the ball game.

    As you can see, I think 12 markers are useless. They really just carry the registration cost of being in the project system and matching database so there real charge is a ticket to cover I/T charges. That's my opinion.

    I would like to see the 37 STR marker come down in price.

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    I have taken the FTDNA Big-Y and Y-111 tests. I recently tested a known 3rd cousin at YSEQ for my 2 individual Terminal SNP's. He is a match. I am testing another distant cousin now and would like to test a few more distant cousins for these SNP's.

    I realize that having them take the Big-Y and Y-DNA 111 STR tests would be the best way to prove our DNA connection, but that is way too expensive for multiple Family members.

    I have a question about the Y-DNA 12 test. If I sign them up for the FTDNA Y-DNA test through a Surname project they automatically become members of the project. The Y-DNA test is $59.00, but they would get a slight discount on some of the other tests.

    I realize that the Y-DNA 12 is not as good for genealogy purposes as the Y-DNA 67 or 111 tests, but since we are known relatives and share SNP's would this help establish my Family's particular DNA?

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    I like the Y-37 STR test for its value / dollar, plus it's the lowest level test that garners the $20 project discount. Exact matches should be your relatives, but to be sure then you can upgrade later. I have one relative that have no 37 STR matches, and only one 25 STR match. The MRCA for the later is about 700 years ago; ie in that particular case 37 more than suits my purpose.

    Even with Big-Y my tip marker only moved down two levels below Z2961, since I don't have any not immediate relatives too test, I'll have to wait for more Big-Ys to come up that match me on one of my 29 "private" markers for me to move down any more.
    Long Story short, based on my genealogy, if I could contact descendants of my ggg-uncle Charles Dickens Powell, that moved to Hampton Roads, VA in the 1870s, I'd love to get one tested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjtjr View Post
    I have taken the FTDNA Big-Y and Y-111 tests. I recently tested a known 3rd cousin at YSEQ for my 2 individual Terminal SNP's. He is a match. I am testing another distant cousin now and would like to test a few more distant cousins for these SNP's.

    I realize that having them take the Big-Y and Y-DNA 111 STR tests would be the best way to prove our DNA connection, but that is way too expensive for multiple Family members.

    I have a question about the Y-DNA 12 test. If I sign them up for the FTDNA Y-DNA test through a Surname project they automatically become members of the project. The Y-DNA test is $59.00, but they would get a slight discount on some of the other tests.

    I realize that the Y-DNA 12 is not as good for genealogy purposes as the Y-DNA 67 or 111 tests, but since we are known relatives and share SNP's would this help establish my Family's particular DNA?
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    Right now I have a third cousin who has tested positive for my 2 Terminal SNP's at YSEQ. I am also testing a 1st cousin 1x removed and a 2nd cousin 1x removed for those 2 SNP's at YSEQ.

    I have also invited 2 other 3rd cousins descended from different brothers of my Great-Grandfather and a 4th cousin descended from my Great-Great-Grandfather's brother to take the same YSEQ SNP tests.

    My Gr.-GR.-Grandfather and his brother were born in the 1790's. I am trying to make connections from a few hundred years before then.

    YSEQ is also developing a panel to test for my Unique Mutations below my current Terminal SNP. If I have matches in this panel with my cousins, I assume that it point towards a Family DNA marker, is this correct?

    I am trying to connect to FTDNA's database the most economical way. That is why I am thinking of using the Y-DNA 12 tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    I have the opposite experience. 12 markers matches mean nothing to my father's line. My best match at 111 is a GD of 6 but he is GD of 2 from me at 12. So far in my 1000 year old subclade, I am the only person with both my off-modal values on my first 12. They must be very recent.

    On the other hand, on one grandmother's father line I get a match at 12 marker notification email almost every couple of days.

    I always look at every haplotype of a person with my surname or a variant, but I pretty much just ignore 12 markers and shoot for 37 to even get in the ball game.

    As you can see, I think 12 markers are useless. They really just carry the registration cost of being in the project system and matching database so there real charge is a ticket to cover I/T charges. That's my opinion.

    I would like to see the 37 STR marker come down in price.
    I have had pretty good luck with 12-marker matches, but not all of them are meaningful, obviously. Better 12 markers than nothing, IMHO. They are a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen1986 View Post
    Is it even of any genealogical use? Many of my 12-marker matches are from such distant places that our common ancestor probably lived well before any records were kept.
    Depends.
    I have zero matches for my Y DNA. I am on a rare branch of a rare haplotype.
    My surname is of occupational origin and is moderately common.
    I am already in a surname project and there are no matches there.
    What I probably need to do (when I get back to working on this branch) is to offer free 12-marker testing to anyone of that surname who came from within a 100km radius of my ancestors' home village.
    Any match will be a relative.
    So that test can be a very powerful tool for me.

    For someone with a plain vanilla haplotype for their ancestral area - such as R1b in Britain - that is certainly not an option.

    Although I agree with Taltos that it can be a valuable dipping of the toe into the pond for someone who has no concept of DNA genealogy - whatever their haplotype.
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