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    Pazyryk ancient Scythian: Y-dna N1b

    i saw him among my Ysearch maches, newly uploaded, by a reasearch which i don't know any info about.
    http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.a...wuid=J5WFW&p=0
    his STR's :


    matches (those matches who are tested by FTDNA are predicted N1b's https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults)

    prediction http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5a/hapest5.htm

    Any info about this sample would be appreciated.
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    some info : Turkish küçükmuhsine is VL67 like me. . Garipov and Fedyaev are Kazan Tatars, Selim is probably also Turk, don't know him , Fabian is an Szekel. Zdrok i guess is an Czech or alike

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    Additional info: Karapapak Azerbaijani is probably from Qazax, Tovuz, Ağstafa, Gedebey, Shemkir or Ganja in Northwest Azerbaijan like my paternal ancestors. We belong to same tribe.
    Y-dna: L1b*-M317 (Pontic Cluster, PH8+) Anatolian or Caucasian lineage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caspian View Post
    Additional info: Karapapak Azerbaijani is probably from Qazax, Tovuz, Ağstafa, Gedebey, Shemkir or Ganja in Northwest Azerbaijan like my paternal ancestors. We belong to same tribe.
    Cool, say him he should immiadetly test the VL67 snp

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    Fascinating! Not entirely unsurprising one of the Pazyryks isn't R1a1a-M17. We picked up a Y-DNA C* remain among the Scytho-Siberians from Kayser et al., and the Iron Age appears to mark the turning point with respect to increased Y-chromosomal diversity on the Eurasian steppes.

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    If so there was certain contact between Scythians and Proto-Turks. N1b seems typical Proto-Turkic marker and can be common among nomadic tribal Oghuzes from Turkey (Yörüks) and Azerbaijan (Qarapapaqs and Shahsevans) today. There is another Qarapapaq (Dulkadirid Shamseddinli) N1b from Tovuz and there is an Afsharid (noble Khanate family) N1b from Baku in the Azerbaijan DNA project.

     
    209586 Meloghlu, Shamsaddinli, Zulqadar Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 12-13 11 12 10 13 14 28 17 9-9 11 12 29 14 18 28 13-13-13-14-16-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 16 17 37-40 12 10

    362815 Mirza Muhammad-khan II, b. 1774 and d. 1836 Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 9-13 11 12 10 13 14 30 16 9-9 11 12 28 14 18 28 13-14-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 17 17 38-40 12 10 11 8 15-16 8 11 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 13 10 13 12 17 7 14 21 21 13 12 11 10 11 11 12 11
    Last edited by Caspian; 04-11-2016 at 06:32 PM.
    Y-dna: L1b*-M317 (Pontic Cluster, PH8+) Anatolian or Caucasian lineage
    (Turkish, Greek, Armenian, Hemshin, Laz, Megrelian, Georgian, Chechen, Kabardin, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Iraqi matches)


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    3/4 West Asian
    1/4 Central Asian

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    The Pazyryk culture is an Iron Age post-Andronovo one located in the Altai region. They're in the right place at the right time to interact with the proto-Turks, as per some of the recent estimations regarding the dating of proto-Turkic (~200 B.C).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caspian View Post
    If so there was certain contact between Scythians and Proto-Turks. N1b seems typical Proto-Turkic marker and can be common among nomadic tribal Oghuzes from Turkey (Yörüks) and Azerbaijan (Qarapapaqs and Shahsevans) today. There is another Qarapapaq (Dulkadirid Shamseddinli) N1b from Tovuz and there is an Afsharid (noble Khanate family) N1b from Baku in the Azerbaijan DNA project.

     
    209586 Meloghlu, Shamsaddinli, Zulqadar Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 12-13 11 12 10 13 14 28 17 9-9 11 12 29 14 18 28 13-13-13-14-16-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 16 17 37-40 12 10

    362815 Mirza Muhammad-khan II, b. 1774 and d. 1836 Azerbaijan N-M232 13 23 14 10 9-13 11 12 10 13 14 30 16 9-9 11 12 28 14 18 28 13-14-16-17 11 10 18-19 15 14 17 17 38-40 12 10 11 8 15-16 8 11 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 13 10 13 12 17 7 14 21 21 13 12 11 10 11 11 12 11
    actualy my paternal side does not have Yörük oral history, but Turkmen, my maternal side does. in some parts of Turkey the local Turks are called "Manav" ,honestly i fit for this branch the other potantiel VL67's not all have Yörük history as far as i know, who are tested by FTDNA . for example Kucukmuhsine1 is from Konya.
    Their is a huge connection with Kazan Tatars (Kiphacks) between us also , most surprising one is an Armenian from Hovan project, he is exact match with an Kazan Tatar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    Fascinating! Not entirely unsurprising one of the Pazyryks isn't R1a1a-M17. We picked up a Y-DNA C* remain among the Scytho-Siberians from Kayser et al., and the Iron Age appears to mark the turning point with respect to increased Y-chromosomal diversity on the Eurasian steppes.
    Do you know whether the R1a1a guys were caucasoids or Mongoloids?
    Interestingly, in western Truvinian sample, the frequency of haplogroup R1a1a was considerably lower than in the central sample. Based on the close ness of the Altai, which is populated by the represen tatives of a more Caucasoid SouthSiberian racial type, it would be reasonable to expect the west–east decrease of the R1a1a frequency on the territory of Tuva. However, this was not observed, and the change of the haplogroup frequency was rather the opposite, as the eastern samples demonstrated maximum frequency of this haplogroup. At the first glance, the result obtained is paradoxical. Specifically, in terms of anthropology, the most Caucasoid population of the western parts of Tuva displays the minimum of haplogroup R1a1a, while in the most Mongoloid population of Todja, the maximum of this haplogroup is observed.

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