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    Did Ftdna. Help Needed.

    Hi, guys!

    I did y-37 test, however i'm still a big noob in all this.

    Thing is that my most distant ancestor came to Russia from Denmark in 1708 (Demnark included Norway and parts of Germany at that time) and identified as German most likely, atleast my surname is German.

    So here are my results:

    arker DYS393 DYS390 DYS19** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II***
    Value 13 24 14 11 11-15 12 12 11 12 13 28
    PANEL 2 (13-25)
    Marker DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464
    Value 16 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15-16-17-18
    PANEL 3 (26-37)
    Marker DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
    Value 11 11 19-23 15 15 18 17 36-37 13 12






    Thing is that i'm still listed as R-M269, which is ... not very informative?

    Any ideas on future actions to find out my subclade?

    Must also say that i did 23andme.

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    You may be able to parse out from your 23andMe results a subclade further downstream than M269. You will likely want to to do further SNP testing to refine your results and so that you can join the relevant haplogroup project. Once you have determined your subclade based on your 23andMe results, you can get a better idea of what SNP testing options are best for you. Of course, NGS SNP testing (BigY and FGC offerings) are nearly always a good call but may be beyond your budget.

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    Like Huntergatherer said it should be possible to get a hint of your subclade from your 23 and me results. Something like this: http://blog.kittycooper.com/2014/02/...ed-at-23andme/

    (note that I don't have a 23 and me account and i don't know if this method still works)

    http://www.nevgen.org/ predicts L21>FGC11134 based on your results with 78.9% probability.

    So maybe first check 23andme to see if you are P312 and/or L21.
     
    Paternal Y-DNA: R-DF27>Z220>S21184>FGC13557>FGC43335, DYS487=Null, MDKA: Arnoldus Otten, d. 1721 Schinnen, NL (FTDNA: N126593)
    Paternal mtDNA: U5a2c4, MDKA: Maria de Baur, d 1761, Sittard, NL
    Paternal grandmother Y-DNA: R-U106>Z18>S17721+, MDKA: Adriaan Petri Brouwers, Oosterhout, NL
    Maternal Y-DNA: R-U152>Y22447+, MDKA: Göttgens, confirmed NPE (FGC: X5ZNK)
    Maternal mtDNA: H3-T152C!, MDKA: Helena Cuijpers, d. 1778 Spaubeek, NL
    Maternal grandmother Y-DNA: I-M253>Z74

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    Did any of your matches have a Terminal SNP with a value other than R-M269? (your graphic runs off my screen)
    Also, see if you have any 25-0 matches. Their terminal SNPs may also be suggestive of what haplogroup you belong to. After all, a distant relative may have tested at the 25 STR level but not have upgraded their kit to the 37 level.
    Also, there is a button on the STR matches page to submit your results to Ysearch.org --it is a free service. They have results from other companies besides FTDNA. You might have a relative that tested with say Sorenson back in the day, and you may pick up a closer match than 37-3s.
    dp :-)
    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    Hi, guys!

    I did y-37 test, however i'm still a big noob in all this.

    Thing is that my most distant ancestor came to Russia from Denmark in 1708 (Demnark included Norway and parts of Germany at that time) and identified as German most likely, atleast my surname is German.

    So here are my results:

    arker DYS393 DYS390 DYS19** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II***
    Value 13 24 14 11 11-15 12 12 11 12 13 28
    PANEL 2 (13-25)
    Marker DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464
    Value 16 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15-16-17-18
    PANEL 3 (26-37)
    Marker DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
    Value 11 11 19-23 15 15 18 17 36-37 13 12






    Thing is that i'm still listed as R-M269, which is ... not very informative?

    Any ideas on future actions to find out my subclade?

    Must also say that i did 23andme.
    Last edited by dp; 04-13-2016 at 11:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Powell View Post
    Did any of your matches have a Terminal SNP with a value other than R-M269? (your graphic runs off my screen)
    Also, see if you have any 25-0 matches. Their terminal SNPs may also be suggestive of what haplogroup you belong to. After all, a distant relative may have tested at the 25 STR level but not have upgraded their kit to the 37 level.
    Also, there is a button on the STR matches page to submit your results to Ysearch.org --it is a free service. They have results from other companies besides FTDNA. You might have a relative that tested with say Sorenson back in the day, and you may pick up a closer match than 37-3s.
    dp :-)
    I forgot my password from ysearch and can't restor the account. As for 25 matches all of them are M269.

    Quote Originally Posted by gotten View Post
    Like Huntergatherer said it should be possible to get a hint of your subclade from your 23 and me results. Something like this: http://blog.kittycooper.com/2014/02/...ed-at-23andme/

    (note that I don't have a 23 and me account and i don't know if this method still works)

    http://www.nevgen.org/ predicts L21>FGC11134 based on your results with 78.9% probability.

    So maybe first check 23andme to see if you are P312 and/or L21.
    I'm R1b1b2a1a on 23andme, which as far as i understand means that i'm not U106, U152 or L21.

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    I suspect you will need to order a R1b SNP pack for further clarification. You're most likely a subclade under DF27, but no guarantee at anything. I noticed some of the Chamberlain kits (close on STR) are below DF27 in one of the smaller subclades...but STR aren't really the best indication, especially at 37 markers. You may just have common values...
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    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    maternal-gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    maternal-gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    ...
    I did y-37 test, however i'm still a big noob in all this.
    ...
    Thing is that i'm still listed as R-M269, which is ... not very informative?

    Any ideas on future actions to find out my subclade?
    ...
    I agree with ADW's perspective.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    I suspect you will need to order a R1b SNP pack for further clarification. You're most likely a subclade under DF27, but no guarantee at anything. I noticed some of the Chamberlain kits (close on STR) are below DF27 in one of the smaller subclades...but STR aren't really the best indication, especially at 37 markers. You may just have common values...
    The R1b All Subclades and Gateway Project is designed for people like yourself. Please join and read this introduction.
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

    I'm the project administrator.

    Generally, people in R1b need to get to 67 STRs and 111 is now the gold standard. It's very risky to try to predict at 37 STRs which is what ADW is hinting at.

    If you are willing and able, the best Y SNP testing method is go with Next Generation Sequencing (NGS), either Big Y (FTDNA) or Y-Elite (FGC). This will discover your own line of SNPs (20 to 30) down to the last 100-200 years. This is great, great information. Someone from every genealogically known family needs to do an NGS test, and really two need to do it. It's expensive, $500 or more, so you have to decide if you want to be a lead explorer.

    The best general alternative in Y SNP testing is the fixed SNP packs/panels where you get a host of SNPs tested for a good, low price, from round $90 to $120. This will definitely get you down into a more youthful haplogroup than R1b-M269 but it is not the end of the road as far as SNP testing since you haven't discovered your own line yet.

    If the NGS testing is too expensive, having 67 or 111 STRs helps by 1) potentially allowing you to skip an general SNP pack (i.e. the R1b-M343 Backbone Pack referred to earlier) and go right to more specialized SNP pack. In any case, more Y STRs positions you well for finding good matches in FTDNA's large matching database.

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