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    U152 SNP Packs from FTDNA

    I was told today that FTDNA would start releasing the first of several SNP Packs for U152.

    It is a very important period once we see what the packs are and they are posted in the Advanced Tests menu (select SNP Pack and click on the name of the pack for SNP details). The reason there is some urgency now is that FTDNA has been able to do last minute adds of SNPs in the past. Once they submit the first run of orders to their lab for processing, the late adds are closed off and we are left waiting until a V2/update (months from now).

    Please keep an eye on the Advanced Tests. I think this will be a series of packs and it will be obvious what's coming in the future as there will be holes or lack of coverage of some big branches in the first pack(s) of the series. They do intend to have full coverage of U152.

    I've not watched the haplotree for U152 lately, but I've heard on other forums of people getting haplogroup labels. That was probably an indicator that the packs were getting ready to be released. Getting FTDNA to update their haplotree has been a two steps forward, one back, two forward, one back kind of thing. This takes time.
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    Are they doing any sort of reality check about ZZ11? It's not on the DF27 pack. Seems to me that would be a fairly straightforward way of moving toward a broader acceptance (or finding contrary evidence, if any) of Alex's suggestion that U152 and DF27 are brother clades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    Are they doing any sort of reality check about ZZ11? It's not on the DF27 pack. Seems to me that would be a fairly straightforward way of moving toward a broader acceptance (or finding contrary evidence, if any) of Alex's suggestion that U152 and DF27 are brother clades.
    Z11 is really almost a R1b-P312 Pack kind of thing. It should be there, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    The reason there is some urgency now is that FTDNA has been able to do last minute adds of SNPs in the past. Once they submit the first run of orders to their lab for processing, the late adds are closed off and we are left waiting until a V2/update (months from now).
    I see absolutely no coverage of the FGC11577 clade in the R-L2 SNP Pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    The reason there is some urgency now is that FTDNA has been able to do last minute adds of SNPs in the past. Once they submit the first run of orders to their lab for processing, the late adds are closed off and we are left waiting until a V2/update (months from now).
    I see no coverage of the Y18894 clade in the R-L2 SNP Pack.

    Is it possible that the designer of the R-L2 SNP Pack never checked YFull's haplotree?

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    Can someone post a list of what is included? I am not seeing a list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwheaton View Post
    Can someone post a list of what is included? I am not seeing a list.
    Here it is. You have to go to your myFTDNA account, click on the blue "Upgrade" at the top and then click on the blue "Buy Now" in the "Advanced Tests" box. On the "Select a Product" screen, select "SNP Pack" and then a list will pop up. Click on any pack to see what's in it.

    Here is what it has:
    SNP Pack R1b-L2 SNP Pack
    Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
    U152, L2, Z49, Z367, L196, PF7610, CTS10009, CTS3080, CTS5689, A6454, BY2823, DF110, FGC10516, FGC22501, FGC5301, FGC5344, L408, PF6658, S1567, DF103, FGC14641, L199, FGC22538, FGC22516, FGC22528, FGC22533, FGC22500, FGC22503, FGC22512, FGC22513, A1704, A1706, A1717, A1722, A6455, BY1020, BY1145, BY2381, BY2825, BY2826, BY3477, BY3478, BY3479, BY3480, BY3481, BY3482, BY3483, BY3484, BY3485, BY3486, BY3490, BY3491, BY3492, BY3493, BY3496, BY3497, BY3501, BY3503, BY3504, BY3505, BY3506, BY3507, BY3508, BY3509, BY3510, BY3512, BY3513, BY3514, BY771, BY806, BY831, FGC13617, FGC32882, FGC36273, FGC4166, FGC4177, FGC4183, FGC4193, FGC4213, FGC5303, FGC5306, FGC5308, FGC8154, FGC8158, FGC8178, L409, PF7609, PH3790, PR5365, S1555, S1561, S1566, S1569, S1570, S1573, S18462, Y11667, Y11931, Y11932, Y11933, Y3960, Y3961, Y3964, Y6763, Z7054

    Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
    BY2895, FGC13620, FGC5338, FGC5345, FGC5356, BY2824, BY3487, BY3489, BY3498, BY3499, BY3500, BY3502, BY3511, FGC10525, FGC10536, FGC10543, FGC13619, FGC13621, FGC13623, FGC29428, FGC29470, FGC4220, PF7599, PF7603, PF7604, PF7605, Y11232

    This is not an all encompassing L2 Pack. It is more of a L2 top and misc branches pack. I'll have to pull out my notes and go the U152 tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Here it is. You have to go to your myFTDNA account, click on the blue "Upgrade" at the top and then click on the blue "Buy Now" in the "Advanced Tests" box. On the "Select a Product" screen, select "SNP Pack" and then a list will pop up. Click on any pack to see what's in it.

    Here is what it has:
    SNP Pack R1b-L2 SNP Pack
    Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
    U152, L2, Z49, Z367, L196, PF7610, CTS10009, CTS3080, CTS5689, A6454, BY2823, DF110, FGC10516, FGC22501, FGC5301, FGC5344, L408, PF6658, S1567, DF103, FGC14641, L199, FGC22538, FGC22516, FGC22528, FGC22533, FGC22500, FGC22503, FGC22512, FGC22513, A1704, A1706, A1717, A1722, A6455, BY1020, BY1145, BY2381, BY2825, BY2826, BY3477, BY3478, BY3479, BY3480, BY3481, BY3482, BY3483, BY3484, BY3485, BY3486, BY3490, BY3491, BY3492, BY3493, BY3496, BY3497, BY3501, BY3503, BY3504, BY3505, BY3506, BY3507, BY3508, BY3509, BY3510, BY3512, BY3513, BY3514, BY771, BY806, BY831, FGC13617, FGC32882, FGC36273, FGC4166, FGC4177, FGC4183, FGC4193, FGC4213, FGC5303, FGC5306, FGC5308, FGC8154, FGC8158, FGC8178, L409, PF7609, PH3790, PR5365, S1555, S1561, S1566, S1569, S1570, S1573, S18462, Y11667, Y11931, Y11932, Y11933, Y3960, Y3961, Y3964, Y6763, Z7054

    Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
    BY2895, FGC13620, FGC5338, FGC5345, FGC5356, BY2824, BY3487, BY3489, BY3498, BY3499, BY3500, BY3502, BY3511, FGC10525, FGC10536, FGC10543, FGC13619, FGC13621, FGC13623, FGC29428, FGC29470, FGC4220, PF7599, PF7603, PF7604, PF7605, Y11232

    This is not an all encompassing L2 Pack. It is more of a L2 top and misc branches pack. I'll have to pull out my notes and go the U152 tree.
    This will be really disapointing if there is no Z49 SNP pack to follow.

    As it is there is not one SNP test for any of the subclades of Z49, the largest branch of L2.

    No Z142. S8183, F2083 or their subclades.
    Without a separate Z49 SNP pack that's a big oversight/makes no sense. Over 130 SNPs selected, yet they don't test any, 1 level down from the largest L2 branch?

    Thus I gotta hope/believe there is a separate Z49 SNP pack right behind this one. If so, then I retract my criticism. Otherwise I have to question the choice of SNPs.
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    My little subgroup BY3493 is there so yay for me. One of the many little groups hanging off of L2. Since I know of no male cousin lines between 300 years ago and 5000 years ago hopefully this shakes some out for me. Of course the only way to test the 30 or so SNPs that cropped up in those hundreds of generations is to do a Big Y or Y Elite. We'll see if this helps drive people to those solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris View Post
    My little subgroup BY3493 is there so yay for me. One of the many little groups hanging off of L2. Since I know of no male cousin lines between 300 years ago and 5000 years ago hopefully this shakes some out for me. Of course the only way to test the 30 or so SNPs that cropped up in those hundreds of generations is to do a Big Y or Y Elite. We'll see if this helps drive people to those solutions.
    I still haven't had a chance to pull this up, but this makes sense. I think this is the L2 "top-layer" and "misc subclades" SNP Pack. As we will see, it is very important that the M343 Backbone Pack has pointer SNPs into the pack series so people don't have to go through three steps... just two, the Backbone and then one of the U152 series. Hopefully, this was planned out and executed correctly. I need to check what's in the M343 Backbone pack.

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