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    SNP Pack to be released for L2!

    Just got this announcement in an email from FTDNA:

    "Exciting news for members of the R1b-L2 Haplogroup!

    With assistance from Mike Walsh, Family Tree DNA is pleased to announce the introduction of our new R1b-L2 SNP Pack with a comprehensive list of the essential SNPs for this branch of the R1b-L2 Haplogroup. The purpose of this test is to identify your terminal SNP on the Y-DNA Tree of mankind."

    Hopefully, we might see it on sale on DNA Day.
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    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    Also just received this. Was on the verge of ordering Big Y. Should I now stick to the pack instead?

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    I'm in the same situation as you in terms of being about to order Big Y. I'm probably still going to go for Big Y though since the SNP pack won't cover everything under L2 and given my luck with testing in the past I'd imagine that my SNPs below L2 won't be covered!

    Also, if I don't order Big Y I'll probably spend a similar amount of money on SNP packs and individual SNPs in the long run.
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    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    While every one has their own budget I'm really happy with my Big Y. I have two known steps below L2 that are fairly rare which takes me to roughly 4500 BC. Then I have 30 more SNPs after that which take me to 1730.

    The SNP pack will only take you as far forward as the SNPs in the pack. With the Big Y my hope is that this group of 30 undated SNPs will gradually be picked apart as other testers show up who test positive for 20 and negative for 10 or some other combination. Slowly we can build the tree out to cover the most recent few millenia.

    Provided they also test Big Y or Y Elite and that these men actually exist. Haha, you never know if you're last living member of an ancient group founded 2000 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DillonResearcher View Post
    Just got this announcement in an email from FTDNA:

    "Exciting news for members of the R1b-L2 Haplogroup!

    With assistance from Mike Walsh, Family Tree DNA is pleased to announce the introduction of our new R1b-L2 SNP Pack with a comprehensive list of the essential SNPs for this branch of the R1b-L2 Haplogroup. The purpose of this test is to identify your terminal SNP on the Y-DNA Tree of mankind."

    Hopefully, we might see it on sale on DNA Day.

    STOP using the phrase "terminal SNP". You are not doing full y-chromosome testing of the individual, brothers, uncles, father.. to find the most recent SNP. The community needs to wipe that phrase from its lexicon. You are potentially identifying the last commonly shared SNP that is known at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cofgene View Post
    STOP using the phrase "terminal SNP". You are not doing full y-chromosome testing of the individual, brothers, uncles, father.. to find the most recent SNP. The community needs to wipe that phrase from its lexicon. You are potentially identifying the last commonly shared SNP that is known at this time.
    What is the official term or most understood term for " the last commonly shared SNP that is known at this time"?

    I've used the phrase "my current terminal SNP" which acknowledges the temporary nature of this designation.

    If there is another agreed upon term I will start using that instead, but using " the last commonly shared SNP that is known at this time"? is not practical...it's a mouthful. Maybe TLCSSTIKATT

    But if there isn't an accepted/recognized term, how about "The most recent known SNP" TMRKS?

    Goes along with The most recent common ancestor TMRCA
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    Hi All,

    If the pocket allows , the best option is Big-Y.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    What is the official term or most understood term for " the last commonly shared SNP that is known at this time"?

    I've used the phrase "my current terminal SNP" which acknowledges the temporary nature of this designation.

    If there is another agreed upon term I will start using that instead, but using " the last commonly shared SNP that is known at this time"? is not practical...it's a mouthful. Maybe TLCSSTIKATT

    But if there isn't an accepted/recognized term, how about "The most recent known SNP" TMRKS?

    Goes along with The most recent common ancestor TMRCA
    I empathize with Cofgene's position and certainly the word "terminal" does not make one feel good as we age. However, this is a standard term the industry and academia have dealt us. It is difficult thing to re-institute new terminology unless you have the bully pulpit or huge advertising budget. We don't, so I will use word terminal haplogroup as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdeed View Post
    Also just received this. Was on the verge of ordering Big Y. Should I now stick to the pack instead?
    Do the Big Y, for sure. It's the only way to discover your own line of SNPs and get the on the board with FTDNA so your SNPs can be included in future fixed SNP packs.

    I posted this in the U152 category with some specific information and the SNP position details for L2.
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post151715

    Keep in mind this is not the L2 everything pack. It is the L2 top layer and misc. subclades pack. It is intended to help people who are L2+ or L2+ and lightly downstream tested to find their current terminal haplogroup. The downstream SNPs of Z367 and Z49 are NOT included. They will get their own specialized packs.

    You could think of the L2 pack as the R1b-L2 (xZ367 xZ49) pack although Z367, the SNP, and Z49, the SNP, are included as pointer/bridge SNPs to their more respective more specialized packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    I empathize with Cofgene's position and certainly the word "terminal" does not make one feel good as we age. However, this is a standard term the industry and academia have dealt us. It is difficult thing to re-institute new terminology unless you have the bully pulpit or huge advertising budget. We don't, so I will use word terminal haplogroup as well.
    Yes after posting the above I posted the following in another thread yesterday.
    According to ISOGG "terminal SNP" is proper to describe this situation.

    "A terminal SNP is the defining SNP of the latest subclade known by current research"...So why do we need a new term again?

    As this is the common understanding of the "terminal SNP", maybe an easier solution is a term to distinguish between latest known by research and the no kidding last SNP in a line.

    As I said in another thread I include the term "current" before "terminal SNP" i.e. "my current terminal SNP" to indicate that this is what is currently known. Maybe include the term "final terminal SNP" to indicate that this line has been fully researched.

    If those are too long one could abbreviate it to CT-SNP and FT-SNP.
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...551#post151551
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