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    Hopefully something soon.

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    Slightly off topic but might end up in a paper...in 2025

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37770727.html

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    Any idea when the studies of ancient DNA in de Lech valley in Bavaria and the one on the Swiss plateau will appear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-Pierre View Post
    Any idea when the studies of ancient DNA in de Lech valley in Bavaria and the one on the Swiss plateau will appear?
    Lech Valley published here
    Knipper et al 2017 https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../29/1706355114

    Paywalled when first appeared but now downloadable.

    mtDNA but no Y DNA.

    I heard Stockhammer present at a conference pre-publication.

    He said the Beaker people were directly descended from the Corded ware in the same area (despite a few hundred year gap in the settlement between the two).
    I thought he may be wrong (Re. R1a v R1b) as when asked he had no knowledge at all about the YDNA (he is an archaeologist not geneticist). However, he may have been told that link by the geneticists based on the autosomal analysis - as Davidski has recently helpfully elaborated for the rest of us.

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    A pitty that there is no Y-dna.

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    I am pretty certain they must have the Y call for the aDNA because the preservation of the material was exceptionally good. Johannes Krause is the key geneticist. I wonder if they are holding back the aDNA as part of a larger paper??
    As Stockhammer presented that the Beakers were directly descended from the Corded Ware that could be interpreted as that particular grouping of Corded Ware were R1b.... that would be quite sensational if that were the case...…… BUT ………... I personally very much doubt that is the case. It is more likely that there is some maternal and autosomal connections in my view but no direct male descendency. However, aDNA has an excellent ability to keep surprising us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Net Down G5L View Post
    I am pretty certain they must have the Y call for the aDNA because the preservation of the material was exceptionally good. Johannes Krause is the key geneticist. I wonder if they are holding back the aDNA as part of a larger paper??
    I was hoping the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Net Down G5L View Post
    As Stockhammer presented that the Beakers were directly descended from the Corded Ware that could be interpreted as that particular grouping of Corded Ware were R1b.... that would be quite sensational if that were the case.
    Why would it be sensational?

    Where do you suspect that the Corded Ware-like Dutch/British Beakers got their P312/L21 so early?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Why would it be sensational?

    Where do you suspect that the Corded Ware-like Dutch/British Beakers got their P312/L21 so early?
    I second that, and I would add that patriarchal steppe pastoralist cultures like Yamnaya, Corded Ware, and Bell Beaker were not female vectored.

    I know I have posted this video before, but maybe not everyone has seen it. Archaeologist Kristian Kristiansen addresses this topic beginning about 11:44 in the video, talks specifically about it being male vectored beginning about 13:30, says steppe males were taking Neolithic farmer females as captives and breeding with them, and at about 18:45 says that in this case the system was patrilocal, and it was the language of the males that prevailed.

    So it wasn't a case of Corded Ware valkyries taking Neolithic farmer husbands and making Indo-Europeans out of them, as some have foolishly argued.

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    Yeah, admittedly though, Kristiansen hasn't been on the ball lately.

    He's been saying that Maykop mixed with Yamnaya and that Bell Beakers came from Hungarian Yamnaya. Both of these claims are rather unlikely.

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