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Thread: Clan Menzies in Scotland : E-M81 ?

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    Could be possibly linked to the Numidian cavalry in the Roman auxiliary troops..
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    Hello. I am descendant of William Laing of Scotland who the Laings are also E-M81 which is from the ancient kingdom of Numidia in North Frica and is still at % > 70 in Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, and Mauritania. These people are the Amazigh and pre-date the Islamic invasion by over 1000 years. Our common ancestor is believed to be King Massinissa and his LARGE number of descendants (he live to 100 years and had 44 sons). Numidia was allied with Carthage first then Rome. They became a Roman province and were famous cavalry men and soldiers. These Numidians made their way to Gaul and Britain as soldiers and traders. It is a misconception that Moors/Mauri/Numidians were dark pigmented Africans. They were brown-olive complexions. Many notable Numidians became Roman Senators, Governors, Generals, and even Roman Emperors in Septimius Severus and has Son Caracalla. I mention all of this because the Menzies Y-DNA matches our Laing Y-DNA very closely. They 2 clans were close in proximity to each other including the Colquhoun/Calhoun clan who has a similar DNA. It is clear to me that Roman Numidians made it to Scotland and stayed. Even some Eliotts of Scotland are E-M81 as well. It is well known that a troop of "Aurelian Moors" (Numidians) were stationed at Hadrians Wall near Carlisle by archeological remains and several Roman inscriptions.. it is possible that we all descended from those troops. Look up E-M81 on Eurogenica and elsewhere. It is fascinating.

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    Thank you for this post.

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    The name Menzees was among Malcolm's III (1031-1093) supporters described for the first time by Hector Boece in his "Scotorum historiae a prima gentis origine":

    Ili primi fuere comites quorum nostri meminerunt anales. Multarum nova cognomia Scotorum familiis indita, Calder, Locart, Gordon, Setoun, Gallora, Laudir, Wawaim, Meldrun, Shaw, Leirmaont, Libert, Straquhyn, Cargil, Ratra, Doundas, Cocburn, Mar, Menzees, Abbercromme, Lesbei, Myrtoun multaque alia praediorum nomina, quibus viri fortes a rege donati in munerum concessere cognomina.
    TMRCA of E-A930's British downstream seems to be ~1000 years.
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...Africans.html:
    "Families who have lived in the English-Scottish Borders for generations could be descended from African soldiers who patrolled Hadrian's Wall nearly 2,000 years ago.
    Archaeologists say there is compelling evidence that a 500-strong unit of Moors manned a fort near Carlisle in the third century AD...."
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