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    "Gesta Hammaburgensis Ecclesiae Pontificum" (written between 1073 and 1076 by Adam of Bremen)


    "Of the islands that lie near the Sclavis [Slavs], we understand that three are of considerable importance. The first of them is called Fembre [Fehmarn]. It is opposite the Wagris [Wagiri], so it can be seen from Aldinburg [Oldenburg], like the one named Laland [Laaland]. The second, opposite the Wilzos [Wilzi], is possessed by the Rani or Runi, the most powerful of the Sclavorum [Slavic] peoples, without whose consent nothing may lawfully be done in matters of public concern; so much are they feared on account of their familiarity with the gods, or rather demons, whom this people holds in greater veneration than do the others. Both these islands, too, are infested by pirates and by very bloodthirsty robbers who spare no one who passes that way. For they kill all those whom others are accustomed to sell. The third island, that called Samland, is close to the Ruzzis [East Slavs] and Polanis [Poles]. It is inhabited by the Sembi or Pruzzi [Prussians], a most humane people, who go out to help those who are in peril at sea or who are attacked by pirates. Gold and silver they hold in very slight esteem. They have an abundance of strange furs, the odor of which has inoculated our world with the deadly poison of pride. But these furs they regard, indeed, as dung, to our shame, I believe, for right or wrong we hanker after a martenskin robe as much as for supreme happiness. Therefore, they offer their very precious marten furs for the woolen garments called faldones. Many praiseworthy things could be said about these peoples with respect to their morals, if only they had the faith of Christ whose missionaries they cruelly persecute. At their hands Adalbertus, the illustrious bishop of the Boemiorum [Bohemians], was crowned with martyrdom. Alhtough they share everything else with our people, they prohibit only, to this very day indeed, access to their groves and springs which, they aver, are polluted by the entry of Christains. They take the meat of their draft animals for food and use their milk and blood as drink so freely that they are said to become intoxicated. These men are blue of color, ruddy of face, and long-haired. Living, moreover, in inaccessible swamps, they will not endure a master among them.

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    Hericus [Eric], the king of the Sueonum [Swedes], entered into an alliance with Bolizlao [Boleslav], the most powerful king of the Polanorum [Poles]. Bolizlaus [Boleslav] gave his daughter or sister [Sigrid the Haughty or Swietoslawa] in marriage to Herico [Eric]. Because of this league the Dani [Danes] were jointly attacked by the Sclavis [Slavs] and the Sueonibus [Swedes]. In alliance with the third Ottone [Otto] the most Christian king Bolizlaus [Boleslav] subjected all Sclavaniam [Slavia] and Ruziam [East Slavs] together with the Pruzzos [Prussians], at whose hands Saint Adalbertus had suffered martyrdom. Bolizlaus [Boleslav] at this time translated his [Adalbert’s] remains into Poloniam [Poland]."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    A Polish admixture signal was detected in Zealand and Funen and our date estimates coincided with historical evidence of Wend settlements in the south of Denmark. We also observed considerably diverse demographic histories among Scandinavian countries, with Denmark having the smallest current effective population size compared to Norway and Sweden. Finally, we found that polygenic prediction of self-reported adolescent height in the population was remarkably accurate (R2 = 0.639±0.015). The high homogeneity of the Danish population could render population structure a lesser concern for the upcoming large-scale gene-mapping studies in the country.

    A massive tenth-century AD ring fortress was recently identified at Borgring, south of Copenhagen in Denmark (Zealand).

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    The ring fortresses of Trelleborg type are enigmas in the archaeology of Viking Age Scandinavia. Comprising massive, timber-framed earth-and-turf ramparts, approximately 140–250m in diameter, together with traces of large buildings and other timber constructions, they stand out as notable early medieval European building works. These fortresses are all laid out in a strikingly similar geometric plan, which arranges the earthworks, houses and other features with meticulous accuracy. They were built in a short period around AD 975–980, in the reign of King Harald Bluetooth, in a part of Europe with little precedent for large-scale fortified sites.

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    Along the inner face of the rampart, the fill was apparently clad with closely stacked sods, forming an almost vertical, around 0.4m-high face (Figure 6.7). This was topped by a distinctive layer of yellow subsoil material, which was again covered with another packing layer of sods, observed some 0.4m farther into the rampart. These features may indicate that the inner side of the rampart was stepped, which would have made it easy to scale for the defenders. No observations are available from other Danish fortresses to compare with these features; a similar construction, however, has been suggested for Slavic fortresses in Mecklenburg (Donat 2000).

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    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...86/core-reader

    Map of southern Scandinavia showing the location of the Viking Age fortresses of Trelleborg type in relation to other important sites in Denmark and the surrounding countries. The underlying map shows the relative density of medieval (twelfth to thirteenth centuries AD) parish churches as an indication of pre-modern population density and historic main routes for land traffic. The fortresses are situated in densely populated regions at the intersections of old main roads and waterways.


    Legend: dark blue circles: Trelleborg-type fortress; open blue circles: contemporaneous fortified cities; open blue square: fortified royal centre; white lines: network of highways c. 1900; grey lines: important medieval land routes.

    Hope to eventually see some aDNA from Trelleborg-type fortresses. Perhaps those sites were built jointly by Slavs and Scandinavians.
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    British percentage is probably common Jutes and Angles ancestry in Denmark and East England and sign od Danelaw settlement, not British admixture in Denmark obviously

    But Polish admixture is hard to explain in that way. It is of course trace of early Slavic settlement, but obviously not form mercenaries but farmers / fishermen who settled here probably in peaceful way...
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    Very interesting Waldemar (this is how I think my paternal line R1a/R-L1029/R-YP263 ended up in Ireland btw).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kostoffj View Post
    Very interesting Waldemar (this is how I think my paternal line R1a/R-L1029/R-YP263 ended up in Ireland btw).
    Yes, that's a possible scenario. As you probably already know, I also belong to R-YP263 (R-L1029>R-YP263>R-Y2912*, to be exact).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    As you probably already know, I also belong to R-YP263 (R-L1029>R-YP263>R-Y2912*, to be exact).
    The best Y HG, we are a fine and distinguished bunch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kostoffj View Post
    The best Y HG, we are a fine and distinguished bunch!
    Definitely, we're an interesting bunch of people with historically impressive set of skills (seafarers, warriors, craftsmen, etc.) which allowed our paternal ancestors a vast expansion (Scandinavia, Greece, Ireland, etc.) during the Middle Ages.

    It's hard to believe how successful our ancestors were bearing in mind that R-YP263 was represented by a relatively small, closely related group of men at the beginning of the Common Era.
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    Here's an example of earlier Slavic dugout boat..





    http://studialednickie.pl/wiadomosci,tom-xvi.html
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    Talking about the 'Polish' impact.....see:https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....150#post376150

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