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    Can Indians and Pakistanis be Syed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali16 View Post
    Member: JATT2016 believes "... Indians/Pakistanis cannot be syed. ..." What are his qualifications and on what basis do you make that statement? Does anyone else have anything to add to help further genealogical knowledge in the Indian subcontinent? I would appreciate your thoughts.

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    Yes I have no doubt many Syeds in India are of Arab (mainly Iraqi, and some Syrian) descent. Families of Arabian peninsular descent are also noticed.
    There are even supposedly Brahman families of Arab descent (cf. Dutta Mohyals).

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    I remember reading a study about Afghan Y-DNA and all tested Arab Afghans in this study had local Central Asian/South Asian Y-DNA. I think the great majority but of course not all Syeds in South Asia are either local people or have just indirect arab ancestry. It had many advantages to claim this kind of origin in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Yes I have no doubt many Syeds in India are of Arab (mainly Iraqi, and some Syrian) descent. Families of Arabian peninsular descent are also noticed.
    There are even supposedly Brahman families of Arab descent (cf. Dutta Mohyals).
    Can you please tell more about the Arab origin of some Brahmin communities? I not heard yet that Brahmins were positive for any Arab Y-DNA. Even in Afghanistan there is zero or less than 0.01% of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Can you please tell more about the Arab origin of some Brahmin communities? I not heard yet that Brahmins were positive for any Arab Y-DNA. Even in Afghanistan there is zero or less than 0.01% of it.
    The Dutta Mohyals I had mentioned in my post claim an Arab connection. The story they tell is that after the (maha)Bharata war, descendants of Aswathama left India for Arabia and returned to India after their defeat in the battle of Karbala. http://watandost.blogspot.com/2008/0...n-karbala.html

    There is a Chibba Mohyal on Dr_McNinja's list who is R1a1, but Chibbas were from Sindh so does not tell us much.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...kDc/edit#gid=0

    Another from Sialkot is E1b1b1a (not sure which Mohyal clan, except that he is not a Bali Mohyal).

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    This study is from 2010: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/mace-lab/publi...AAS10_Syed.pdf
    As well as this study, looking for Arab lineage in general: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859343/

    There was another in-depth study, but I can't find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Yes I have no doubt many Syeds in India are of Arab (mainly Iraqi, and some Syrian) descent. Families of Arabian peninsular descent are also noticed.
    There are even supposedly Brahman families of Arab descent (cf. Dutta Mohyals).
    Syed is someone who is direct decendent of Muhammad (PBUH) through his grandsons and not just arab decendents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bol_nat View Post
    Syed is someone who is direct decendent of Muhammad (PBUH) through his grandsons and not just arab decendents.
    I am in agreement with what you said. It is impossible to verify on scientific grounds , if anybody claims to be syed today. Nobody knows what Y haplogroups the Prophet belong too.
    Even, to establish an arab ancestry for a person from South Asia is ambiguous as different ethnic groups can have the same haplogroups.

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    Even though the studies cannot prove someone is a Syed, every study so far has overwhemingly proven that most self-identied Syeds are imposters.

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    Most Arabian Sharifs (Syeds) belong to J1c Y Haplo.

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