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    Two New Speculative SNPs for L23+ L51-

    If you are L23+ L51 within R-M269 and don't mind taking a flying leap, there are two new advance a la carte SNPs that are under investigation. The precise placement of Z2103 and Z2105 is not known with certainty, but they appear to define a parallel clade to L51. The relationship with L277 and L584 is uncertain. If you are enterprising,and a FTDNA customer, these will either be very exciting or a complete waste of money.

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    I have an L584 cousin, earliest origins Aleppo (al-Halab), Syria. I may be able to get him to test one or both the Z-series, but no promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    I have an L584 cousin, earliest origins Aleppo (al-Halab), Syria. I may be able to get him to test one or both the Z-series, but no promises.
    Thanks, AJL. If I had to choose one, I'd go with Z2105.

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    Thanks for the tip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vineviz View Post
    If you are L23+ L51 within R-M269 and don't mind taking a flying leap, there are two new advance a la carte SNPs that are under investigation. The precise placement of Z2103 and Z2105 is not known with certainty, but they appear to define a parallel clade to L51. The relationship with L277 and L584 is uncertain. If you are enterprising,and a FTDNA customer, these will either be very exciting or a complete waste of money.
    Wow, this would be great to have peer subclades with L51 to compare with.

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    We had six project members order 1 or both of these new SNPs in this week's batch. With luck, by the end of September we'll have some news.

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    By the way, I need to thank Greg Magoon and Ray Banks for finding these SNPs in the 1000 Genomes data to begin with.

    http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-05/1337040189

    And thanks to Vince Tilroe for calling them to our attention.

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    So we don't know precisely where Z2103 and Z2105 might fit, but here's roughly where.

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    [QUOTE=vineviz;391]So we don't know precisely where Z2103 and Z2105 might fit, but here's roughly where.

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    VV,

    I dont follow much this far from L11, but what will the split percentage be if this holds true?

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    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1ís fatherís sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJost View Post
    I dont follow much this far from L11, but what will the split percentage be if this holds true?
    We are just launching exploratory testing, so I can't say with any confidence yet.

    I will say that among the four L23+ L51- men in the 1000 Genomes data that Ray and Greg sampled, it appears that all four were Z2103+ Z2105+.

    VV

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