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    Big Y in

    My results are just in so to share. FTDNA has me now at R-S1491.
    A very quick searches don't pull anything much up on this. I'll take a better look when i get home tonight but does anyone have any pointers?

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    I'm no expert so I won't try commenting on R-S1491 but it would be worth sending your Big-Y data to Alex Williamson, he analyses the data for free and then puts you onto his tree: http://ytree.net/Instructions.html
    Paternal Y-DNA: U152>L2>BY3508>L135>BY3506 Estimated age of BY3506: 500BC
    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    Thanks. I'll take a look at that. I've ordered the BAM and am awaiting a notification from ftdna. Alex also seems to be going on holiday so i'll have to wait!
    Haven't been able to find much yet on S1491 which is perhaps unsurprising.

    Also, been trawling threads here. Is it my imagination of is 20 shared novel SNP's quite low? [on ftdna matches] I have 9 at 20, everything else is lower and nearly all of them belong to different haplogroup

    I've also just realised most of my 'novel matches' have Z51 Z57 L562 Z142 listed as 'non matching'.. the hell...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdeed View Post
    My results are just in so to share. FTDNA has me now at R-S1491.
    A very quick searches don't pull anything much up on this. I'll take a better look when i get home tonight but does anyone have any pointers?
    Available info

    R-U152>L2>Z49>Z142>L562>Z57>S1491

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    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S1491*/


    U152> L2> Z49,Z68> Z142> L562,Z51,Z55> Z57> S1491
    206005 Richard CLARKE, 1831 [Fulbourn] CAM UK -1912 England R-S1491
    U152> L2> Z49,Z68> Z142> L562,Z51,Z55> Z57> S1491> S1480,S1497,19089111,28711762> 17569474
    209585 Thomas Davenport - 1615-1685 of Dorchester, Ma. England R-Z142
    B51962 John Kilby, b.1710 (ENG?), d.1772 (VA, USA) United States R-BY3623

    Quite a few Sardinians on branches further down from S1491.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 05-23-2016 at 05:59 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 5% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Thanks, id seen the matches and have dropped Colin (CLARKE) a message. Where can I find SNPs down from S1491 and what's the best way to get them checked? Is that even the best way to go about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdeed View Post
    Thanks, id seen the matches and have dropped Colin (CLARKE) a message. Where can I find SNPs down from S1491 and what's the best way to get them checked? Is that even the best way to go about it!
    Richard Rocca can be very helpful with this type of work as he will have access to both Clarke and your data (as well as many others on your branch)
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 5% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Thank you for the attachment. Exciting to be this far along although i have to admit to having got completely distracted from my initial purpose which was to try and prove familial links! (This is far more interesting)

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    Quite excited to have another member R-S1491. My paternal GGF was NPE event, so any surname is a feasible genealogical "match" if the ancestry is UK in the 1700-1800 I presume.

    I'm at YSearch, Gedmatch and YFull ...
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    Maternal GGGM early 1700s Assmannshausen, Rhineland - or vicinity

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    Hi Colin, good to see another S1491! We do seem to be a bit thin on the ground! I'll be looking into what other downstream snps are worth testing next as I'm curious if I'm on the same branch as the Sardinian kits.

    FYI my most distant proven make ancestor is Essex, born Burnham on couch 1796. Parents John and Mary were possibly descendants of Dade in Suffolk/Norfolk but I currently have no proof (unlike other Deed in the general area). The Dade family were reportedly given estate in Tannington in the 1400's and originated in 'Guelderland' (Ede, is the suspected area and from where the name was derived). There is a pedigree for the Dade line.

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    An interesting addition for the record. I've only just started putting my auDNA results into GEDmatch. At first glance the admixture results seemed a bit all over the place. However, a closer look at the MDLP analysis has me at 44% ENF (European Neolithic Farmers) which is apparently particularly high in Sardinians, Corsicans and Basques. Bearing in mind the that three of the five S1491(+) results are from Sardinia i find this particularly interesting and wonder (in my ignorance) if it might suggest that component of my auDNA has largely come from my male lineage.

    ENF results are particularly strong in the "LBK" culture of central Europe in around ~5000 BC. it would be interesting to see how this correlates to what is thought about the movement L2 and it's branches.

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