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    This maps are made by Balanovski

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    And this is the J2-M67


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arame View Post
    And this is the J2-M67

    Interesting peak in the Italian peninsula. I think more research there would be wonderful.
    M92 only has 3 subclades:Z500(which I belong to), found in the eastern Mediterranean region. Y4036, which I do not know much about but is found among Cypriots and Jews so it's probably similar to Z500, and Z7671 which is found mainly(as far as I know) in the caucasus region. The distinction is pretty clear so it should be pretty easy to figure out how it got to Italy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viktor Reznov View Post
    Interesting peak in the Italian peninsula. I think more research there would be wonderful.
    M92 only has 3 subclades:Z500(which I belong to), found in the eastern Mediterranean region. Y4036, which I do not know much about but is found among Cypriots and Jews so it's probably similar to Z500, and Z7671 which is found mainly(as far as I know) in the caucasus region. The distinction is pretty clear so it should be pretty easy to figure out how it got to Italy.
    My father is also under Z500 (M92 for now) and has only three very low level (12) matches. Two from Armenia, one Pontic Greek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arame View Post
    Proportions of J2
    Interesting approach and frequency visualization. May I ask about the source and amount of used samples?
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    It is J2b in Finland. But the sample size is small according Balanovski. Tmrca is also young as far as i know.
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    It is made by a Russian guy Rozhanski. He has a lot off diagrams and dendrograms. He publish them in pereformat.ru. The sample size. I don't know. But he usually agregates both commercial and academic data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    Interesting approach and frequency visualization. May I ask about the source and amount of used samples?
    Chris, has there been much headway into J2b of Europe ? Sublcades ?
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    Klyosov, Rozhansky, Elhaik, DNA-Geneal - maybe off topic, may delete if inappropriate

    Quote Originally Posted by Arame View Post
    It is made by a Russian guy Rozhanski. He has a lot off diagrams and dendrograms. He publish them in pereformat.ru. The sample size. I don't know. But he usually agregates both commercial and academic data.
    Thanks for referencing. I found the original comment of Igor Lvovich Rozhansky to a blog post of Anatoly Klyosov on the Academy of DNA-Genealogy page which is also published in the haplomaps page by Rozhansky.

    I now go on a rant but I can't agree to most of what Klyosov, Elhaik, et al. hypothesize with non-referencing, unbalanced and unscientific approach and research. Additionally their over-confidence and the uncollegial, supremacist writing and communication style undermines most if not any necessary scientific discussion of such anti-main-consensus hypotheses. If Bing-Translate is not totally wrong alone the above blog post has enough sentences to kill my interest like
    Quote Originally Posted by Klyosov
    I must say that there are only a few people who could carry out the interpretation in such a way, as they spend in the Academy of DNA-Genealogy. But if without false modesty, just the two of them is a member of the Academy of DNA-Genealogy I.L. Rozhansky, and the author of this essay [Klyosov].
    So I rather avoid publications from Klyosov, DNA-Genealogy and affiliated persons, even if the collected data (unreferenced from third party) ist presented in interesting ways and there would be ground to discuss statistical and mathematical approaches.

    If anyone here want's to dig into this here some useful links of the long history of Klyosov et followers vs almost all genetic scientists, anthropologists and genetic genealogists:

    http://file.scirp.org/pdf/AA20120200004_71596882.pdf Klyosov, Rozhansky 2012: anatomically modern humans Out-of-West-Eurasia = "anti Out-of-Africa"
    http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2013303a.html Elhaik, Tatarinova, Klyosov, Graur 2014: ‘extremely ancient’ chromosome that isn’t (Bonus: Youtube video)
    http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13468 Elhaik, Tatarinova, et al 2014/2016 Corrigendum: Geographic population structure

    http://dienekes.blogspot.it/2011/11/...in-action.html on Y-STR only estimates for ancient population research
    https://www.geneticliteracyproject.o...ncient-israel/ on Ehaik and Jews from Khazaria
    http://popgen.us/2014/01/27/critique...an-y-chr-adam/ controversy age and origin “Y-Adam”
    http://trv-science.ru/2015/01/13/dnk...giya-kljosova/ Balanovskaja, Borinskaya, and many other Russian academics on Klyosov and DNA-Genealogy
    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/mace-lab/debunking/theories Balding, Kennett, et al
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/isog...4816482962922/ Erlich et al discussion on GPS academics software ethics

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...sov#post167210 Jean M
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...sov#post167214 R.Rocca
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...sov#post192091 Megalophias
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...sov#post182507 Huntergatherer1066
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...sov#post179265 Kopfjäger

    NOTE: please open a new thread to discuss this. I do not want to hijack this thread, just to give some unaware a broader insight. Too many do not know all about the "at least questionable" figures in the field.
    Last edited by ChrisR; 11-29-2016 at 07:14 PM.
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