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    Prince Philip's DNA may identify the last of the Romanovs

    Prince Philip's DNA may identify the last of the Romanovs

    The DNA of the Duke of Edinburgh is being used by Russia to establish whether the remains of bodies are those of the Romanovs, executed by the Bolsheviks in 1918.

    The historian Simon Sebag Montefiore revealed that the DNA of Prince Philip, a descendant of the Romanovs, was being used to solve a historical mystery that could be used to bolster the reputation of President Vladimir Putin.

    Sebag Montefiore said the duke had agreed to talk to him about the Russian use of his DNA as he prepared his book on the Romanovs.

    Sebag Montefiore was at the Hay festival to talk about one of the most powerful dynasties in history, which ruled Russia from the time of Ivan the Terrible until Nicholas II.

    But the Romanovs’ story still resonates strongly in Russia today, said Sebag Montefiore.

    The remains of two children, believed to be Maria and Alexei, were found in a field in 2007. Last year Putin ordered the exhumation of other Romanov remains that had been positively identified using the duke’s DNA in 1998. The question is: are they definitely the last of the Romanovs? Are the children’s remains the son and daughter of Nicholas II?

    “All of this is happening now and we are waiting on tenterhooks,” said Sebag Montefiore. “Are they going to be reburied? Are these two children going to be added to the others? What is going to happen?

    “I think this is all to do with President Putin’s view of history. I think he’s going to save this up as part of the 1917 centenary and somehow this will play to his view of Russian history.”

    Putin, the Hay audience heard, believes that there is an arc of Russian history that links the Romanovs to him, and that he is part of a sacred destiny.

    “There is a view of Russian exceptionalism, that they are a unique civilisation, a view right since Ivan the Terrible that Russia is a special civilisation with a special culture. Putin is pushing that now. There is a continuity.

    “Putin regards Stalin as a great tsar, he is a great tsar. Asked who the worst tsars were, he said Nicholas II and Gorbachev.”

    The murder of the family was a particularly ghastly affair because it was so badly done, Hay heard. It took more than 20 minutes to execute every member because the children were wearing what were effectively bullet-proof vests in that Romanov diamonds had been sewn into their clothes.Sebag Montefiore said it was a ghastly crime to kill the Romanov children as well as the parents. “To kill the children … even in the French Revolution they did not kill the children.”

    Members of the killing squad, some of them drunk, were meant to aim at different family members but they all aimed at Nicholas. After that it was mayhem.

    Sebag Montefiore’s appearance was not all about death and murder – there was also sex. He revealed a candidate for a leader with the most voracious sexual appetite in history, the often-forgotten Alexander II, a contemporary of Queen Victoria.

    All the male Romanovs, said Sebag Montefiore, were strapping, blue-eyed, blond-haired womanisers with high sex drives but Alexander II “was the naughtiest of the lot, the most uninhibited of the lot”.

    The historian had access to more than 3,000 letters exchanged between Alexander and the love of his life, his mistress Princess Catherine Dolgoroky, more than 20 years his junior.

    “These letters are the most sexually explicit correspondence ever written by a politician or a head of state anywhere in history, even in the age of sexting and texting.”

    “There are sexual acts described in these letters that I thought had not been invented,” he told his Hay audience. “I don’t know you well enough to tell you what they are.”

    The letters reveal he was having sex five times a day until his 60s and had been advised by his doctor to cut down.

    Alexander II was highly sexed but he was genial and kind, not words that could ever be attributed to Peter the Great.

    Sebag Montefiore said: “He held orgiastic parties which were a cross between Joseph Stalin’s nocturnal drinking marathons and Led Zeppelin on tour in the 1970s.”

    One of the most ghastly Romanovs, said Montefiore, was Anna of Russia, “a miserable nonentity until she came to power. She was a really disgusting woman.”

    Montefiore said Anna liked to have an entourage of disabled people, “she had one called the legless one, one called the armless one, one footless one and the one-eyed one. She loved that; perhaps because they made her look pretty.”

    “She really is a ghastly person who had all her enemies executed in terrible ways. She was a horrible person and a bad empress.”

    If Anna might be Montefiore’s least favourite Romanov, his favourite, he said, was Catherine the Great, whose life was fascinating although she was not the nymphomaniac she is sometimes portrayed.

    “She always had to be in love at all times, so she was really a kind of serial monogamist. She was very uninhibited,” he said. “She once called her bedroom a ‘training school for civil servants’.”

    She was the most humane ruler of Russia in Sebag Montefiore’s eyes. “I love her and I hate all the terrible stories about her. I hate what schoolchildren always ask me about her. I feel related to her and offended. It is like someone saying, ’has your mother slept with a horse?’”

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...f-the-romanovs

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    They should refine his yDNA haplogroup too. We wonder if it is U106, P312 or neither of them.

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    Prince Philip is not a descendant of the Romanovs. Prince Philip's mitochondrial DNA came from British Queen Victoria (1819-1901). The Russian Empress Alexandra and Prince Philip's grandmother Princess Victoria of Hesse were sisters, their mother being a daughter of Queen Victoria. All of Tsar Nicholas's children carried the same mitochondrial DNA that Prince Philip has.

    In the male line, Prince Philip is a descendant of the Danish Royal House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. Tsar Nicholas's mother was a Danish princess whose sister was married to Queen Victoria's oldest son and successor, King Edward VII. Therefore, British King George V and Tsar Nicholas would have had the same mitochondrial DNA.

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    Prince Phillip's DNA was used years ago to disprove the claims of the old lady in Charlottesville VA that she was Anastasia.

    It was an interesting case though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grossvater View Post
    Prince Philip is not a descendant of the Romanovs. Prince Philip's mitochondrial DNA came from British Queen Victoria (1819-1901). The Russian Empress Alexandra and Prince Philip's grandmother Princess Victoria of Hesse were sisters, their mother being a daughter of Queen Victoria. All of Tsar Nicholas's children carried the same mitochondrial DNA that Prince Philip has.

    In the male line, Prince Philip is a descendant of the Danish Royal House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. Tsar Nicholas's mother was a Danish princess whose sister was married to Queen Victoria's oldest son and successor, King Edward VII. Therefore, British King George V and Tsar Nicholas would have had the same mitochondrial DNA.
    Therefore checking with Putin's DNA would only find out whether he was descended from Queen Victoria, not whether he was descended in the male line from the Romanovs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saetro View Post
    Therefore checking with Putin's DNA would only find out whether he was descended from Queen Victoria, not whether he was descended in the male line from the Romanovs.
    I'm not seeing where Putin's DNA is even an issue here. Does he claim some genetic link to the Romanovs?

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    It was an interesting case though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grossvater View Post
    Prince Philip is not a descendant of the Romanovs. Prince Philip's mitochondrial DNA came from British Queen Victoria (1819-1901). The Russian Empress Alexandra and Prince Philip's grandmother Princess Victoria of Hesse were sisters, their mother being a daughter of Queen Victoria. All of Tsar Nicholas's children carried the same mitochondrial DNA that Prince Philip has.

    In the male line, Prince Philip is a descendant of the Danish Royal House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. Tsar Nicholas's mother was a Danish princess whose sister was married to Queen Victoria's oldest son and successor, King Edward VII. Therefore, British King George V and Tsar Nicholas would have had the same mitochondrial DNA.

    No he isn't a descendant but they should share a common Y line ancestor within the past 1,000 years. There has been a lot of debate over the years regarding the Romanov Y line and if it's still intact or was broken during the time of Catherine the Great.

    George

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Chandler View Post
    No he isn't a descendant but they should share a common Y line ancestor within the past 1,000 years. There has been a lot of debate over the years regarding the Romanov Y line and if it's still intact or was broken during the time of Catherine the Great.

    George
    You are correct. I forgot that Tsar Peter III (d. 1762) was in the male line from the House of Holstein-Gottorp whose roots are in the same Danish Royal House from whom Prince Philip's male ancestors derive. In her lifetime, Empress Catherine the Great insinuated that Tsar Peter III was not the father of her son, the future Tsar Paul, from whom all future Russian Tsars descend. Catherine's lover, Russian nobleman Sergei Saltykov was the reputed father. This is a controversy that could easily be solved with DNA testing. If Prince Philip's Y-DNA matches Tsar Nicholas's, that would be some strong evidence that spiteful old Catherine was just blowing smoke and that her husband really was the father of her son.

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