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    Question Y-DNA haplogroups of ethnic Armenians

    What are Y-DNA haplogroup frequencies among ethnic Armenians?

    I wonder, what subclades of R1b and R1a haplogroups do they have?

    Do ethnic Armenians have also some R1b-L51, or only R1b-Z2103?

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    I think there's a fair amount of J-M92 amongst them too -and other J2s. (I'm in the Armenian dna project on Ftdna.)

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    Here is FTDNA's Armenian DNA Project.

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    There is a little bit of L51 in the Caucasus, including Armenia, but the frequency is very low. For instance in Herrera et al's study of 413 Armenian men 120 (29%) had M269 but all were M412-. There are some in the Armenian FTDNA project though. It does seem to be overwhelmingly Z2103. There is also some M269* and some rare R1b* (L389+ P297-).

    The R1a is a mixed bag with a good bit of Z93*(xZ94), Z282, L657, Z2124.

    Approximate frequencies:

    6% E1b1b1-M35, at least half of it M34, with very little (0.5%) V13
    2% G1-M285
    9% G2a-P15 of various subclades
    3% I (mostly I2c?)
    7% J1(xJ1a2-L136)
    7% J1a2-L136
    23% J2a
    1.5% J2b
    1.5% L (mostly M317?)
    0.5% Q (including M378, M346, M25)
    3% R1a1a-M198
    1% R1b-M269*xL23)
    27% R1b-L23(xL51)
    3% R2a-M125
    6% T1a-M184

    Occasional H2, N, O, basal R1, etc

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    Mher posted several pie charts about three days ago that may be more or less relevant. They are on a Facebook group that captions most things in Armenian, which I don't read, but the people who care about this thread may not have that issue. Here is one (if the link works): https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

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    I suspect Armenia, Georgia and the South Caucasus played an important role in the migration of R1b.

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    There is also a cluster of DF27+ in Syunik province in Armenia. For whatever reason, I believe R1b is higher in the eastern highlands near Azerbaijan.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    m gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    m gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    m ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Turner: R-U152
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    There is a little bit of L51 in the Caucasus, including Armenia, but the frequency is very low. For instance in Herrera et al's study of 413 Armenian men 120 (29%) had M269 but all were M412-. There are some in the Armenian FTDNA project though. It does seem to be overwhelmingly Z2103. There is also some M269* and some rare R1b* (L389+ P297-).

    The R1a is a mixed bag with a good bit of Z93*(xZ94), Z282, L657, Z2124.

    Approximate frequencies:

    6% E1b1b1-M35, at least half of it M34, with very little (0.5%) V13
    2% G1-M285
    9% G2a-P15 of various subclades
    3% I (mostly I2c?)
    7% J1(xJ1a2-L136)
    7% J1a2-L136
    23% J2a
    1.5% J2b
    1.5% L (mostly M317?)
    0.5% Q (including M378, M346, M25)
    3% R1a1a-M198
    1% R1b-M269*xL23)
    27% R1b-L23(xL51)
    3% R2a-M125
    6% T1a-M184

    Occasional H2, N, O, basal R1, etc
    I'm not aware of basal R1 in any modern sample (anywhere), unless this came up in the Herrera study. It's not in the FTDNA project unless amongst a private member.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    m gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    m gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    m ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Turner: R-U152
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    I'm not aware of basal R1 in any modern sample (anywhere), unless this came up in the Herrera study. It's not in the FTDNA project unless amongst a private member.
    Sorry, it's R1(xM198, M269), I was just being lazy.

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    Not that it's a big deal, but I have an Armenian brother-in-law (the husband of my wife's sister). His name is Sergei Tumanian. I don't know his y haplogroup, but he has always reminded me of a taller version of Joseph Stalin.

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