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    J1 (xJ1a) from the Early Bronxe Age Jordan

    From the preprint of Lazaridis et al. 2016 http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311

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    I1705 is confirmed J1 (xJ1a).

    The three Early Bronze Age samples analyzed in this study were found in a cave high above the East Field of ‘Ain Ghazal and are probably associated with an Early Bronze Age village about 450 meters south of the Neolithic town.

    Age: 2198-1966 calBCE
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    Here is the map where the sample I1705 is from:

    http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/...2.1907/35.9885


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    Yes, probably they were from a Southern downstream branch of P58 like https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z2324/
    All Levantine and Arabian J1 branches are relatively recent and derived with an expansion associated with the Bronze Age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Yes, probably they were from a Southern downstream branch of P58 like https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z2324/
    All Levantine and Arabian J1 branches are relatively recent and derived with an expansion associated with the Bronze Age.
    Yes, "The calls show that I1705 belonged to Y haplogroup J1a2b-Z2324".

    https://genetiker.wordpress.com/y-snp-calls-for-i1705/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Yes, probably they were from a Southern downstream branch of P58 like https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z2324/
    All Levantine and Arabian J1 branches are relatively recent and derived with an expansion associated with the Bronze Age.
    Actually, considering I1705's age, this individual's negative YSC235 status (despite being positive for Z1852, which is a YSC235 approximant) severely underscores the complexity of J1's history in the Levant, you'd expect him to be YSC234 at the very least, in fact I would've vouched for YSC76 or a basal branch of YSC234 like ZS241 or FGC4745, but no, I1705 is YSC235- (therefore YSC234-). There's clearly more to it than meets the eye, a lot was going on for J1 in the Levant at least starting from the Chalcolithic era, which is obvious judging from the very strong correlation between YSC234 and Semitic speakers. I think this goes on to show that Z2324, YSC235, CTS11741 and YSC234 all arose in the Levant, unless proof of the contrary shows up of course (which isn't exactly likely, to say the least).
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    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Modern day Z2324+ YSC235- people in J1 DNA Project:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    There's clearly more to it than meets the eye, a lot was going on for J1 in the Levant at least starting from the Chalcolithic era, which is obvious judging from the very strong correlation between YSC234 and Semitic speakers.
    How about Proto-Arabic or South-Arabian speakers?. would we consider their Language as part of semitic languages? or Proto-semitic?
    Obviously they are upstream such as L93

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehri_people

    p-58.JPG

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    By the way Gentelmen.

    Where would you place this Northern Iraqi L858+ Cluster?....Near the Basal Split of L858? or more downstream?

    L858+.JPG

    Same question would be applied to the Jewish -Iraqi Cluster of Zakho?

    Zakho.JPG

    Their final Placement in the vicinity of L858 is still vague?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon_74 View Post
    How about Proto-Arabic or South-Arabian speakers?. would we consider their Language as part of semitic languages? or Proto-semitic?
    Obviously they are upstream such as L93

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehri_people

    p-58.JPG
    It's possible L93 might be associated with Proto-MSA speakers, L93's TMRCA could fit with the latest stages of Proto-Semitic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    It's possible L93 might be associated with Proto-MSA speakers, L93's TMRCA could fit with the latest stages of Proto-Semitic.
    Thanks for your answer dear Agamemnon.

    I know my previous question was off-topic,But do you have an approximate answer or preliminary assumption for it?

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